Ground only for me too. I used to hunt out of climbers but after our three kids came along I just couldn't get comfortable in a climber. I spent the whole time thinking about falling so I quit using them. One of my favorite places to hunt from years past was on a particular stump overlooking a clear cut on a lease I used to be a part of. The tree must have split when they were cutting it and it left about 3'-4' sticking up on one side once the stump. It looked just like the back of a chair and it worked great for a back rest when I would sit on the stump. I killed a ton of deer off that stump.