Great stuff - good to hear - did not know about Byrons and I will look into that on future shoulders. I thought not much Put on it and the Butt would still be good if meat quality good. What I had recently smoked was close to Muzzie and I did cover in mustard spread but I did not use coffee - smoked paprika or dry mustard but used the other stuff u said. I looked on line last night and Hey Grill Hey was saying basically most of what Muzzie was saying. I just purchased the ground mustard and paprika because I could not find the smoked paprika. Where did you get the smoke paprika Muzzie? Thanks - Great info guys!!