I found a heavy, beaten down trail next to a creek one time. It was real thick. The only tree I could put a climber in was only 20 yards off the trail. It only took 30 minutes into the sit for a group of 6-7 does to come through. The wind shifted and they picked me up quickly. I picked the biggest one and tried to estimate the shoulder through the brush but hit low and blew most of the leg off. I heard her flop, walk, flop, walk. Walled the climber down the tree fast and chased her through the woods. Caught up with her and popped her between the eyes with a .380.