They go down to at least 90gr, and even the cheap target loads are often match grade accurate.....makes practice a lot easier and less time/$ intensive. I have never been a creed fanboy. Reality is what it is, though. Point is: while half the arguments for the creed are overinflated, half the arguments against it are fictional, also. Nothing about it as a cartridge is really magical. The market setup for its success is something never seen for any other....which gives it a leg up in a lot of ways that are really undeniable.