When we moved back to the country 10 years ago, I planted 20 from Nativ nurseries. I'm not sure if it was me learning to take care of trees or what, but I lost about half of them. I replaced the dead, and added more, from The Wildlife Group from near Tallassee and have kept them all. I saw the first acorns at 4 years and about year 6 or 7, all the trees started bearing heavily. The nice thing about The Wildlife Group is they support the hunting industry in Alabama. They are usually at both shows and I've talked with them at QDMA meetings in the state.