If you get one that shoots decent, don’t pay attention to numbers in the 10” as much as the pattern density without “holes” in it. I have played with 4 or 5 of the 410’s and each one likes something a lil different. I currently have an o/u I am setting up for my daughter. I had a 127 in 10” pattern with 9’s, but to be honest it shot a 107 with 9.5’s that looks more consistent.