hey toothdoc, don't get all excited, my point was that when I shoot deer I get nervous , buck fever, adrenilin, what ever you want to call it, iwas not knocking your shooting,and apparently you don't get excited when you shoot at a deer, but I do, and that makes shooting deer a lot harder than shooting targerts for me,, some time my hands shake, my legs shake, and my bow shakes, and I have to sit down so I don't fall out of my tree, but I donthave that problem when shooting targerts, but you know what? when I quit geeting shook up shooting at deer, ill quit deer hunting,and just shoot targets!!!!!