I've hunted from the Quidos web for a few years and switched to the Kestrel this year. I use 4 - 5 wild edge stepps to get to hunting height using an aider (swaider). Haven't used a climber since switching. As far as accurate shooting from my saddles I actually shoot as good in it as I do off the ground and practice out to 60 yards out of it. I love being so mobile and having more options to hunt the perfect spot due to more choices on trees you can hunt!!!