I don't think anyone here hates the DCNR. We may have individuals we don't like, laws we don't like, or systems we don't like. But overall I don't think any of us hate the DCNR. In the past we have worked well together, or as good as you could expect. I've said from the beginning and I still believe it, the people in the woods (GWs and biologist) are caught in the middle with a lot of their PR work being damaged by systems and individual/groups. I also still believe those field guys could have developed a system and sold it better than anyone else in DCNR. But it is my understanding they were mostly just dictated what to do. So, we don't hate the Dept.