I'd been hunting these birds for the last 4 times I've been able to go and have been so close but just hadnt been in very good positions. I had one at 25 yards yesterday but just needed 1 more step to clear the brush. He smelled a rat and that was that. I waited to see which creek bottom they'd pick when they left the roost this morning and then made a big loop back up the road to get out in front of them. It wound up working perfectly since they'd lost the hens along the way.