.358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .338 Federal, .338-06 are also some favorites of mine that will do it all and at reasonable distances. They do good on deer as well. Around here where you can't shoot that far anyway if we had elk and bears, etc. those would be the good ones. They are the non-magnums. Which is really in name only.

.35 Rem is a heck of a good black bear cartridge. and 45/70 will stop anything I'm convinced but both are more limited in range.


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