Yeah I think the whole let them get to 4 or 5 yo and they will be at least a 140 smdh. I hunt with a couple guys that are totally convinced that it's not mature unless it's 200 lbs+ .I killed a 6.5 to 7 yo buck last year that was about 150 lbs and 100" it was a unique buck because his throat patch was on the side of his neck.