Like I said don't need but 20 guns 100.00 a gun it cost money and time to make a good dove shoot I have this shoot every year first come basic you come 3 days before shoot watch the birds pay pick your own spot out and have a great time it is always a good shoot both my neighbors on sides have shoots same day I could get more people but 20 is perfect 20th acres on one side of dirt road 20 acres on the other PowerLine crosses both sigldes