I think people like me and you can agree to disagree and move on, but you wont get ahead or anywhere arguing with "Shooters". Just throwing that out there. Now this is my opinion no facts to back it..

Do you guys really believe that intense predator trapping is a feasible long term solution to controlling coyotes? How many landowners will spend the money? How many landowners will spend the time? How many landowners will continue to intensely trap for periods of 5-10 years? How much of an impact will it really have over the next decade or half century? Have we slowed them down yet? This is not a realistic solution that you should tell the general land owner as a means to deal with coyotes.

What you are advising land owners to do is to greatly reduce predator populations and hold prey populations at a much higher rate than the habitat is naturally supporting. Opening up social holes in the coyote population on a property and greatly increasing the prey species will insure that surrounding coyotes will just flock to fill these social holes in the land of milk and honey. With prey species amped up beyond normal conditions, it even opens the door for more coyotes to come back in than you originally had.

The best long term solution is to accept the predator and prey cycle and manage to keep things in balance by curtailing predator impacts rather than thinking you can eliminate them. The best long term solution to curtailing the impacts of predators is through establishing proper habitat and limiting doe harvest.

your thinking is wrong , your saying if i take out x amount of coyotes their food source will increase and allow more coyotes .

problem is your graph is comparing snowshoe hares to lynx. Hares are cyclic....deer ain't.

I don't see your point Troy. All I'm trying to show is that predator and prey populations are directly tied to one another. As far as coyote populations go around here, we are really concentrating more on the amount of small game present representing our prey species than we are deer anyways.

CNC doesnt know what he is talking about, he is only using graphs to show his point of view.

CNC I understand what your trying to say. Take the Sipsey Wilderness Area within the Bankhead National Forest for instance probaly the lowest deer density I've hunted and I can count on one hand the coyotes I've seen there. But I think predator control is a nessary form of wildlife managment when your trying to make your property the best it can be. We cant all afford the services like shooter and others provide but I'm glad theyre there to teach others and keep doing what theyre doing.

Yeah don't pay attention to him....he's using graphs and facts.

BULL CRAP!!! The minute you stop trapping coyotes dont run from 20 miles away to come to your property. CNC is trying to twist the facts to make it sound like ONLY habitat munipulation is the only way to go! I agree you need to do both. But everyone is trying to get more deer. So if you want to increase the carrying capacity you must have a predator management plan. You = CNC = have no idea about deer management/coyote removal as a process. You only have what you have read. Here is the problem. Every manager of deer from alabama to texas wants more, thropy deer! High end clubs and pay for hunt have been doing predator management for years. It works but the price is often past on to the customer. Now in alabama= texas style management is being applied to the coyote problem. Texas= as an example has lots of supplimental feeding, so the habitat and carring capacity must be elevated, along with proper coyote control. CNC is making out like trapping is absolutely worthless. You must keep trapping, just like you must keep planting summer and winter plots. Most game managers realize that trapping is just another tool to be used to ELEVATE the hunting game. So you can do like CNC says and JUST improve the habitat and have a normal deer heard, or you can inprove the habitat and do predator control and really see good sized deer numbers increase. So what do yall want? Do nothing and have the same low deer numbers or get busy trapping and have better deer hunting? I think CNC is anti-trapping for some reason. I dont know why. Trapping works but must be done every year just like planting foodplots. Dont give up!! Trap, shoot,and kill every coyote you see!!!