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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928440
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I think it should be extended to 8 birds. That's just the way I feel....


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: AU_trout_bum] #928444
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Originally Posted By: AU_trout_bum
I think it should be extended to 8 birds. That's just the way I feel....


Hell yea!!!


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: teamduckdown] #928451
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Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
Originally Posted By: YEKRUT
Originally Posted By: Big Rack
I know ya'll are not going to tell where your hunting. So, I will ask how many acres are ya'll killing all these birds on?




Jackson county is where most of them are at. smile


Yep. Jackson County.

I just think three in a state is enough. I dont have any data to back up why I feel that way. I just enjoy hearing turkeys and fooling with them. A successful hunt to me doesn't have to end with a kill. Dont get me wrong, I like whopping a head as much as anyone, but it seems everyone these days is all about the kill numbers and are getting a little greedy.

...and gobbler you're starting to sound like 49er


At least I'm not cutting and pasting grin

Here are not good reasons to set limits:
"I just think"
"I feel like"
"Any more than (insert your personal number here) is greedy"
"I don't need more than"

9 r is dedicated to protecting freedoms in the best way he knows. I tend to agree with more often than not. He doesn't trust the govt (those who set the rules, although often don't play by them) and neither do I!


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: AU_trout_bum] #928452
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Originally Posted By: AU_trout_bum
I think it should be extended to 8 birds. That's just the way I feel....


My point exactly grin grin


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: gobbler] #928461
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Originally Posted By: gobbler
Originally Posted By: AU_trout_bum
I think it should be extended to 8 birds. That's just the way I feel....


My point exactly grin grin


Good point gobbler... Some of us should just take it into our own hands regardless of the law... If we are overpopulated...as are many deer populations....Just kill till it's under control... Whether it be 3...5..8..12... I mean...the State obviously can't get the harvest numbers right since they manage as a whole and not individually... manage your own property as need be...


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: truedouble] #928480
04/08/14 06:29 PM
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This may be the best thread I've read since I've been a member here! popcorn


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928492
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Well someone "felt" like it should be 5 at some point, so obviously someones feelings are effecting things. laugh


Turkeys be damned.
Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jw33] #928514
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Originally Posted By: jw33
I don't know but it is an interesting question. A biologist at Mississippi State told me years ago that if you did not shoot jakes that you couldn't kill enough mature gobblers to hurt a place.


I have never understood how a biologist could say that there is a difference between killing a jake and killing a longbeard, as far as managing a turkey population is concerned.

It's a deep, dark mystery to me..... I can understand why it would be worse on the population to kill a longbeard instead of a jake - since only 28% of jakes carry viable sperm - but have never been able to mentally grasp how it could be worse to kill a jake instead of a longbeard.

Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: YEKRUT] #928522
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Originally Posted By: YEKRUT
Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
Originally Posted By: YEKRUT
Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
I wish I knew the answer to that... We have killed 40 longbeards the past three years...13 in '11...13 in '12 and 14 in '13... We have killed 16 this year...Which is 56 over four years...Thats a lot of turkeys... Over these past few years...every October and November we continue to see 10..12..15 longbeards in groups... I have been wondering if we have been hurting the population.... But it doesn't seem so... I hope it continues to stay this good... But as long the numbers continue to show up in the fall...I see no need to cut back on the killers...



Y'all need anymore members?



X2 smile


I think we are going to drop one this coming year...Too many killers... Guess I will have to start from the bottum up... grin



Somebody bout to get cut up in here! smile



grin


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: gobbler] #928552
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Originally Posted By: gobbler
Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
I'll throw this out there... I dont think you can kill out your birds. I do think the state should go back to a 3 bird limit. I mean no man needs more than 3 realistically.


You usually have sanity and value in your posts... The above is the worst, narsisitic, self centered, rediculous, reasoning for changing a limit. There is NO biological reasoning to your concept, only "well, I would be happy with and don't need more than 3 so I don't think anyone else needs more than 3 either." In all honesty, no one cares what you would be happy with, but what scares me is the other folks that think it might be a good idea to set limits on critters based on what they think would be "fair" for us all (I.e. The legislature). I had thi same discussion with our previous director when the limit was changed from 6 to 5 with NO biological data nor reasoning!! My .02 grin


You tell em gobbler! smile

I think that if there are still mature gobblers on the Coosa WMA after Decades of the most intense pressure imaginable, then it is impossible to kill them off.

It will never happen because it would be too radically different than other states, but the most biologically sound limit would be to just go to one a day. That is somewhat enforceable, and keeps folks from trying to kill off an entire group of gobblers that happens to walk up on them in early season.

Removing the 5 bird season limit takes away the goal for the few hard-core AL hunters that are also honest enough to stop at 5. With no goal, these hunters probably wouldn't work so hard to get to 5. And there are not that many in this group, and I seriously doubt the group has any biological impact on the flock. There are plenty of outlaws who will kill double-digits each year and it doesn't really matter if there is a season limit or not for them.

But one a day doesn't seem "fair" to many, so in our socialistic world of today it will never happen. Most hunters will continue to hope to kill one each season, the hard-core ones like many of you guys reading this will still try to get to 5, and the outlaws will continue to kill all they want. Reducing the limit to 3 would do nothing to help the turkeys. It might make some people feel better about themselves, so at some point it will probably happen.


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928590
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I have read many articles by biologist and talked to wild turkey biologist about it. They all say you cannot kill them all out.

I believe them, and I believe in gobblers' and crenshawco's post as well. Wild turkeys move around alot. And everytime I kill a gobbler, there is another one there in the next day or so. I killed one behind my house right after flydown one morning, and about an hour before fly up that same day there was a gobbler up their gobbling.

Turkeys move around alot. I tend to believe that they may stay in an area for about a week, then move on, with another coming in. The later in the season, the more they move looking for any left over hens still breeding.

I think they breed earlier in the season than what a lot of people think anyways. Remember, a hen can hold sperm for like 20 days. ANd I assume turkeys like having sex just like us, so even though the hens are already fertilized, they continue to breed until they have completed their clutch of eggs and start laying on them.

Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928593
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I think the only way you could kill all of the gobblers is to just drop nuclear weapons across the southeast.

Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928614
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Man, you guys act like y'all have never heard of the 3 S's........

I've got a biologist buddy that is absolute death on a stick on his turkeys at his house. Between him and his kids, well, there can't be more than like 2 longbeards left on 1000 acres come May 1st. And year after year, guess what happens? It reloads. It will reload during the season. Yes, it is pretty good habitat. It is on a creek, which he says helps.

All I know is they damn near kill every longbeard that draws breath down there year after year....and they are killing em as we speak.


Now, about this 8 a year limit..... I'm in

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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: gobbler] #928619
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[quote=N2TRKYS][quote=gobbler][quote=teamduckdown]
The question should be is there a reason NOT to have a fall season.



That maybe so, but the question was what is the biological reason for having a Fall season. If it was, then there would be more than the 6 counties with a Fall season.


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: btbab10] #928621
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Originally Posted By: btbab10
I think the only way you could kill all of the gobblers is to just drop nuclear weapons across the southeast.
Apparently, that is exactly what happened to my land....I thought it was logged but apparently it was Nuclear bomb!

Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928629
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With both limits and how many birds to shoot in mind. You would think who ever sets the limit should know about how many turkeys are out there. Is there a turkey density map? Also what do y'all think the average turkey density lets say per square mile is on an average piece of bama ground.

Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928650
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
Originally Posted By: gobbler
[quote=N2TRKYS][quote=gobbler][quote=teamduckdown]
The question should be is there a reason NOT to have a fall season.



That maybe so, but the question was what is the biological reason for having a Fall season. If it was, then there would be more than the 6 counties with a Fall season.


You don't think biology has anything to do with the fact that only 6 AL counties have a fall season do you? What is the biological reasoning for having a fall season on deer, doves, quail, etc... Turkeys are no different - fall seasons are justified biologically. It is the time of year that the "crop" (young of the year) are abundant and the excess can be taken. Spring season is only a function of hunter pleasure - they would rather kill one gobbling than in the fall - NO biological reason for it!

Originally Posted By: jlbuc10
With both limits and how many birds to shoot in mind. You would think who ever sets the limit should know about how many turkeys are out there. Is there a turkey density map? Also what do y'all think the average turkey density lets say per square mile is on an average piece of bama ground.


Turkeys are harder to estimate than deer and certainly there is no valid data for density in the state. Maybe some small private propertes have good data. Deer, turkey, etc. density maps are a pure guess made by "who ever sets the limits"!!


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: teamduckdown] #928651
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Originally Posted By: teamduckdown
Well someone "felt" like it should be 5 at some point, so obviously someones feelings are effecting things. laugh


Those were decisions based on science, not feelings. Well, I am assuming it's science-based. grin

A better discussion would be why don't we have an increase in the per day limit. Lots of people can double in Georgia, and if it was legal here, I could have doubled this year and be sitting at 3 birds instead of 2, if I was counting. If the overall limit is 5, what does it matter when you kill your 5?

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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: jlbuc10] #928656
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teamduckdown should loose privilege to make a comment on turkey hunting if he thinks the state should go back to 3 birds per hunter, you obviously just don't have the places to hunt or the ability to kill more than three. 5 isn't enough already since I could kill 20 a year if I wanted, but 3 what a joke of a comment


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Re: Not how many but what percent? [Re: Turkeymaster] #928662
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Originally Posted By: Turkeymaster
teamduckdown should loose privilege to make a comment on turkey hunting if he thinks the state should go back to 3 birds per hunter, you obviously just don't have the places to hunt or the ability to kill more than three. 5 isn't enough already since I could kill 20 a year if I wanted, but 3 what a joke of a comment


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