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Re: good representative buck
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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110", 3.5YO, 8 pt , about 140-150 lbs dressed is bout as good as it gets most places in the Heart of Dixie. Gotta disagree my friend. Me and my Pa haven't killed a buck as you've described in since weelllll since my first buck. Being selective works well. In the last 2 years I've killed 2 bucks weighing over 220 lbs.  "Representative" now. Not what is killed on a certain property or by a certain person or group of people. 
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Re: good representative buck
[Re: Morgan]
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02/25/14 03:59 AM
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2.5 years old. 8 point. 140 live weight. Never scored one with a small basket rack, which is the norm around here that gets killed.
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Re: good representative buck
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02/25/14 04:23 AM
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LOL... just reading and thinking of a comparison.... Hollywood, CA representative of an average woman. Afghanistan representative of a woman. It's all relative! I still agree with Hogwild (Danny). Anyway, a 130' eight pt, 4 yr old buck is a great buck in most of Alabama. Not to say that that 2Dogs has to kick these kind of bucks out of the way to climb a tree where he hunts!! LOL! 2Dog, I love to give you hell about Jackson Co. I wish I hunted up there!!!!  Two years ago, my "duck" hunting friend shot a 170" eight up there. 170" eight pt? 170 and eight point don't even sound right. Throw the state, Alabama in there and the three just don't go together at all!!! You a funny guy trot! That big 170" 8 might be a good representative of 8pts in high fence only! My thinking on the 110" 8pt , 3.5 yo, FD at 140lbs was if a guest from another area came on a hunt and what he could expect. That would be a mid range , nice shooter, a buck at the top of the Bell Curve for all ya'll numbers and data fellers. And I don't kick those out of the way to climb at my place, it's more like shooing spikes away. 
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Re: good representative buck
[Re: Morgan]
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I hunted Marengo County for years. A good representative buck for the area I hunted was a 100-105", 160 pound buck.
Now I hunt Jackson County. I'd say the representative buck for that area is a 115-120" 180 pound buck. I'm talking live weights in both cases. I've killed a bunch of deer but I've never killed one that weighed 200 pounds live. But, I actually weigh my deer. I've seen some from Jackson that weighed 220+. My largest weighed 192 live weight.
I was at a store (Hollytree) in Jackson County with a buck in the back of my truck that weighed 166 live weight. When I came out of the store there was a group of guys gathered around checking my deer out. They asked what he weighed. They were all guessing 210-240 pounds. People seem to have a hard time estimating weights. Just my opinion... I have one on everything.
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Re: good representative buck
[Re: Morgan]
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02/25/14 05:04 AM
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I think we can all agree, a buck is 2.5 y/o, when he has his first decent rack, and this is the age of most rack buck kills across the state. Maybe not on your club, but across most of the state. Most yearlings are spikes or 4 pts. So with 2.5 y/o being the first real rack a deer has, and makes up most of the racked buck deer harvest, then that is the deer we need to be talking about. The 2.5 y/o bucks on our place average 140-150lbs and sport 80-100" at best.
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Re: good representative buck
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02/25/14 06:13 AM
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I understand both of you guys, I was only stating the norm for the property I hunt. Which I understand is not the normal weight for all of AL. We've been selective with the bucks we take for many years and as a result our "norms" are higher in weight. Btw a 220 lb deer does not weigh 160 dressed, I've never come across a gut that weighed 60 lbs. either way this is my normal weight of deer, racks vary but idk for the rest of AL God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Study up and gain some experiences on subjects before you go making yourself look as uneducated as you just did. A little word of advice about the relatively large group of regulars here, there are 10 times your age in years in the woods with this group and bullshitters and think they know it all and dont know crap, "Jackie Bushman's" is what I call them are easily spotted by folks around here...
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Re: good representative buck
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02/25/14 06:20 AM
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Average "shooter" buck in bama 2.5 yo 150-170lbs 8pt 100-110". It's what most people would call a mistake, ground shrinkage blah blah, but 95% of Alabama hunters would shoot it, and most would swear its 120-130" until they walk up on it dead. I would say that is pretty dang close but I am gonna go with the "average shooter buck" statewide is gonna be 2.5 yr old 6-8 point and 150 lbs...I think that is a pretty fair assessment state wide. The OP was asking representative SHOOTER deer, not necessarily taxidermy deer or anything like that...
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Re: good representative buck
[Re: Morgan]
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02/25/14 06:26 AM
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I would say 200 lbs dressed is about as rare as 150 in of horn.
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Re: good representative buck
[Re: Morgan]
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02/25/14 06:57 AM
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200 dressed is 260 live. A 220 dressed is bumping 300 lbs. That's over 60 lbs of gut. Didn't he claim to kill 200 lb dressed deer, yet claim he had never seen a 60 lb gut??
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Re: good representative buck
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02/25/14 07:07 AM
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200 dressed is 260 live. A 220 dressed is bumping 300 lbs. That's over 60 lbs of gut. Didn't he claim to kill 200 lb dressed deer, yet claim he had never seen a 60 lb gut?? Daddy stumbled on to some good land, decided he would get his boy in to hunting a few years ago. Said boy had a couple good bucks walk out in to a food plot and gave him a shot opportunity and said boy is now an expert professional certified bonafied we grow the biggest deer in the state on my daddy's land whitetail professor... The end.
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Re: good representative buck
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02/25/14 07:13 AM
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I would say 200 lbs dressed is about as rare as 150 in of horn. I guarantee ya...  The 200+ field dressed is more rare in our area than 150" of antler IMO. My personal heaviest is 187 FD, looked like farmer Brown's prize steer laying there before field dressing. I guess that's the biggest I've seen before FD too, all those bigger I seen, others killed and were gutted in the woods to lighten the load. The super heavy bucks, round 200lbs FD and up, from Jackson Co. tend to come more from the river valley where the row crops are. Better soil with crops like soy beans to nibble on all summer. Just don't see them that much way back in the mountains of upper PRV and Skyline. I don't know if there's that much difference in antlers, but the valley deer tend to be a little heavier IMO.
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Re: good representative buck
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02/25/14 07:17 AM
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200 dressed is 260 live. A 220 dressed is bumping 300 lbs. That's over 60 lbs of gut. Didn't he claim to kill 200 lb dressed deer, yet claim he had never seen a 60 lb gut?? I think he saw my weights (140-150lbs) in my first post and didn't see the word dressed. Guess he thought we were killing 140 lb live weight dwarfs in Ol' Hi- Jackson. Think his weights are live. Least I guess they are, if he and daddy are whacking 220 lb FD bucks regularly, maybe we better listen up!
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Re: good representative buck
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02/25/14 02:54 PM
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I've seen 3 bucks that passed the 200 lb mark, I killed one that dressed mid 180's, the other 2 were in the 230's. All of them were weighed on so called certified scales. I see more of the 160-180 range for 3.5 to 5.5 yr olds prerut. Some post ruts in the 170's but those are rare.
Average score for those age classes 115-120"
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Re: good representative buck
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02/25/14 05:24 PM
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Average "shooter" buck in bama 2.5 yo 150-170lbs 8pt 100-110". It's what most people would call a mistake, ground shrinkage blah blah, but 95% of Alabama hunters would shoot it, and most would swear its 120-130" until they walk up on it dead. agree accept that type buck is going to be 3.5 90% of the time. it takes an above average 2.5 year old to hit 110" and in a lot of areas a 3.5 year old will weigh more in the 150-170 range. a 170 lb. 2 year old would likely weigh 240 or so when mature...
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Re: good representative buck
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02/25/14 05:27 PM
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110", 3.5YO, 8 pt , about 140-150 lbs dressed is bout as good as it gets most places in the Heart of Dixie. Gotta disagree my friend. Me and my Pa haven't killed a buck as you've described in since weelllll since my first buck. Being selective works well. In the last 2 years I've killed 2 bucks weighing over 220 lbs. congrats!!! but unless your hunting in a fence don't get dissapointed when you go several years without seeing or at least killing a buck close to either of the ones you've shot. I've been selective for 15 years, but I still go 2 and sometimes 3 seasons without getting an opportunity to kill a good one (130+). But I hope for your sake you get to prove me wrong. 
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Re: good representative buck
[Re: Brent]
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02/25/14 05:40 PM
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I hunted Marengo County for years. A good representative buck for the area I hunted was a 100-105", 160 pound buck.
Now I hunt Jackson County. I'd say the representative buck for that area is a 115-120" 180 pound buck. I'm talking live weights in both cases. I've killed a bunch of deer but I've never killed one that weighed 200 pounds live. But, I actually weigh my deer. I've seen some from Jackson that weighed 220+. My largest weighed 192 live weight.
I was at a store (Hollytree) in Jackson County with a buck in the back of my truck that weighed 166 live weight. When I came out of the store there was a group of guys gathered around checking my deer out. They asked what he weighed. They were all guessing 210-240 pounds. People seem to have a hard time estimating weights. Just my opinion... I have one on everything.
I would agree. We've killed 3 over 200 lbs, live weight in Jackson Co. But we've killed a lot more that were 170-190 range. Biggest misconception IMO is that if it doesn't weigh 200 and if doesn't have at least 120" it has to be no older than 3.5. This kind of thinking really skews what a lot of people think is the "average" mature buck on their property. I was guilty of this for several years until I started watching 3 year olds go to 4, go to 5 and they are still 110" and 180 lbs. I quickly learned that even in some of the best areas of Alabama the "average mature buck" isn't going to score 125-130 like some people would like to think.
Last edited by truedouble; 02/25/14 05:58 PM.
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