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Re: Property screen? [Re: Turkey_neck] #806793
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This may not have been the right place to ak this question, but hey this ha gone on for 6 pages, what are a few more grin

Re: Property screen? [Re: Fuzzy_Bunny] #807316
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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
Yotetrapper,

In going back and re-reading the law I can see what you are saying. I was overlooking owner or lessee in the first sentence, and was reading it as being unlawful for anyone to hunt within 100 yards of a dwelling and the third sentence as saying landowners are exempt. Meaning they could hunt by or from their own dwelling.

I am big enough to admit that I am mistaken, and also man enough to speak my mind and ask questions. I would rather risk upsetting someone or being wrong than stand before a Judge with my defense being that a GW, or anybody else, said it was ok. GWs are people too, and can make mistakes just like the rest of us. I try my best to base my decisions off of fact not opinions, and I'm sure you and everybody else can understand and respect that.

I am assuming you are the GW Turkey Neck spoke with.

I have to ask, does this come up often, and have you ever had a case go to court? I wouldn't think that there would be many landowners wanting to hunt within 100 yards of somebody's house without their permission. It looks like game retrieval could become a nightmare also.

I have another question: Lets say Turkey Necks neighbors don't hunt and decide to put up a nice deer feeder 25 yards from his stand, and they enjoy bird watching so they frequently broadcast wheat during dove/turkey season on their property. Could he still hunt there? Could the landowner be forced to stop feeding (OK I had two questions)







I'm not saying I'm always right either, like you said Anyone can make a mistake.

I have this come up occasionally, but mainly when duck hunters are hunting too close to a house on Smith lake. I have only had this come up with deer hunting a couple times. In those cases the hunter knew the neighboring landowners and no one was upset or complaining about the hunter. Just routine check.

A landowner has a right to feed birds/deer/ect if they so choose. The hunter can't control what a neighboring landowner feeds or where on their property a neighboring landowner chooses to feed.


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Re: Property screen? [Re: yotetrapper] #807402
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I have this come up occasionally, but mainly when duck hunters are hunting too close to a house on Smith lake.


Separate idea, and maybe worth a new thread, but based on this (above) I have a question:

Waterfowl hunters are on private property OR a public lake and have permission. Early morning ... bang! bang! bang! They're near a subdivision or some houses.

Resident(s) get upset about the early morning hunting and "danger" of the hunters. The hunters know where the houses are, are not shooting toward them, are legal, and have permission.

City police or County sheriff is called, arrives at the resident's home, hears the complaint and then goes to the hunters or otherwise interrupts their lawful hunt, tells them they have to stop and/or leave, etc. They say they're legal, etc., but the city/county officer persists and forces them to leave or stop.

This has happened. I can't cite specifics but it has, and we know it has.

In this case, what is the recommended action for the hunters? Because every time they hunt and some resident hears bang! bang! bang! then they'll call the law again, just like on Smith Lake or Guntersville Lake or near a subdivision, and we get the repeat, only maybe with the officer saying "Told you this once already ..." or something along those lines.

So what do the hunters do? Hunt anyway and ignore the homeowners?

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Re: Property screen? [Re: Turkey_neck] #807409
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the reply is "show me the law/reg I'm violating"....they can't do it. I personally would call their bluff. Of course, the police may be real stupid like some Bham cops I've met and take yer arse to jail.....

Of course you'd win, and be set for a lawsuit, but you still might go to jail.


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Re: Property screen? [Re: Turkey_neck] #807417
01/04/14 10:43 AM
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And that's the problem, Fred.

WE know what the law-reg would be. They might not give a chit and haul you away, at that point probably for "resisting" or just because, because at some point their patience would go away since they're standing in the cold (and maybe mud) talking to a bunch of duck hunters and some crazy bitch is looking out the window waiting to see the evil noisy hunters be told to leave.

You could even argue that you're legal, have permission and the "C'mon, use some common sense, it's 6 a.m." request is bullchit. Non-hunters (or antis) will use the "It's too early, it's noisy, they could hunt LATER in the day" arguments and someone who doesn't hunt or doesn't want to be there would probably go along with them.

Just like the open carry stuff. It's legal. You're not doing anything. But someone will call the law, the officer will say "use common sense, you shouldn't be out in public with that" and if you argue or resist, then you're probably going to be in the chit even though you're right.

You'd win in court but it would be a hassle (for the ducks). The homeowners would feel vindicated. They'd call the next time it happened, too. PITA


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Re: Property screen? [Re: Clem] #807418
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Wonder what the new neighbors are gonna think about a high powered rifle going off at 6 am 180 ft. from their bedroom window? I can't imagine that ending well. It wouldn't if I were the neighbor I can tell you that.

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Re: Property screen? [Re: Turkey_neck] #807427
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All I know about all of this is if you can't get along with Bradley (turkey_neck) you can't get along with anyone!!!


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Re: Property screen? [Re: WhiteCityHunter] #807436
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It wouldn't if I were the neighbor I can tell you that.



So, what would you do?

He's well within his rights to hunt on his property at 6 a.m.


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Re: Property screen? [Re: Turkey_neck] #807450
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People view a situation like this two ways...as being Turkey neck or his neighbor. Some picture their self in his shoes..it's my land and I have the right to hunt it. I'm not happy about a new house being built near where I hunt.

Others are putting themselves in the neighbors shoes. They are picturing TN as a neighbor who is blaming them when they have purchased this land and they can build or do what they want.

Both want the same thing,to enjoy their property but now they look at their neighbors actions as interfering with that.

Reading the initial post it seemed as though TN was just angry at the neighbors for ruining his area. Then TN said he spoke with them and they came off as having an attitude about his hunting so close. Maybe he was trying to be civil and they didn't want any part of it.

Now TN probably said well screw them then...I'll just put up a barrier.They are just gonna have to work it out...personally I would think a barrier would be the best idea to avoid trouble. If he is deer hunting I imagine a shot every now and then wouldn't be as bad as setting up a target range or dove shoot.

Now it seems some are coming up with ideas to just make each other miserable to vent their frustration.

TN could just go out there and shoot all the time and irritate them and they could reciprocate with making noise to interrupt his hunting. Both would be legal because they are on their on property.

Re: Property screen? [Re: Turkey_neck] #807453
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Well after reading again it seems TN does dove hunt it...well all will learn to live with it or they all are gonna have a rough time dealing with each other.

Re: Property screen? [Re: Clem] #807473
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If you are talking about duck hunting from public property in front of my house, I would be on my property raising holy hell!!! Show some common damn sense man!


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Re: Property screen? [Re: Turkey_neck] #807477
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Who said he was gonna duck hunt? And raising holy hell on your property is perfectly legal as is me shooting chit on my property.

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they could reciprocate with making noise to interrupt his hunting.


If TN's neighbors intentionally do this to bother or interrupt his hunting, they're in violation of the state's hunter harassment law.


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Reread please.


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If you are talking about duck hunting from public property in front of my house, I would be on my property raising holy hell!!! Show some common damn sense man!


Why? If they're hunting legally they're within their rights.


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Re: Property screen? [Re: Clem] #807500
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Originally Posted By: Clem
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they could reciprocate with making noise to interrupt his hunting.


If TN's neighbors intentionally do this to bother or interrupt his hunting, they're in violation of the state's hunter harassment law.



That would be difficult to prove IMO. If a guy wants to work on his car on play ball with his kids in the yard or bush hog his property then he can.

Unless the neighbor says something to the effect they are intentionally making noise to interrupt his hunting then just making a noise won't fly.

It's a misdemeanor for one..TN would have to get a warrant and show probable cause for a warrant to be issued. He is gonna have a hard time articulating that without solid evidence.

I can guarantee the neighbors defense is gonna be we were just doing our own thing. Society already dislikes the laws now.. A jury is gonna say..heck, we can't even be outside working in the yard without getting arrested.

They may themselves decide to target practice while he is hunting.

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In my case they will just have to get over me dove hunting there. The field is probably only going to have deer in it at night now. I hate confrontation but I was set off by the lady right off the bat which didn't sit real well with me. A temporary and planting screen will be installed. It's up to her if she wants to be bioch she will have a target range in her back yard. If she is civil she will have to put up with a couple of dove shoots a year and occasional riffle blast. The bioch part also includes her letting her mutts roam my side of the fence.


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Re: Property screen? [Re: Clem] #807508
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Originally Posted By: Clem
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It wouldn't if I were the neighbor I can tell you that.



So, what would you do?

He's well within his rights to hunt on his property at 6 a.m.




Clem he may be within his 'rights' BUT there is common courtesy to your neighbors at play here. Let's say I shot my .308 60 yds from your bedroom window on a Saturday morning. You think your wife and kids are gonna put up with that? I know mine wouldn't. Just because you have a 'right' to do something doesn't mean you actually do it. Put it this way, if I get jarred, and it would be jarred, out of bed at 6 am the shooter is gonna hate me as a neighbor from that point forward cuz I'll get any and all law enforcement a call and keep calling until I got something done. Disturbing the peace? Or whatever you wanna call it. Other than getting law enforcement involved I'm sure I could come up with some unique ways, (loud music, truck horns, etc) to stop a deer rifle from popping off a shot that close to me and my family inside our own house.
I love hunting and would fight to the bitter end to protect those rights for all hunters but WE have to be aware of the public and be courteous when we get the opportunity. Hunters that don't care about how their activities effect others are the fuel that the anti-hunters use to chip away at our 'rights'. I put rights in quotes because they aren't necessarily permanent. We can't hunt bears here in Florida anymore even though our bear population is as big as it has ever been. We had the 'right' to bear hunt now we don't. The biggest reason that 'right' was taken away from us was bad publicity from discourteous, I call em slobs, hunters.
We have to be smart about what we do to protect the rights we have or we will lose them. I'm sorry I just have a MAJOR issue with deer rifles shot that close to occupied homes. Hell grab a bow and problem solved, hunter can hunt and neighbor has no reason to make complaints, etc.. A win-win situation for all.
Like I said compromises can be made to satisfy both parties. Common courtesy, being a good neighbor, thinking about the safety and privacy of others, and good ole common sense should prevail.

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Re: Property screen? [Re: Clem] #807510
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Originally Posted By: Clem
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they could reciprocate with making noise to interrupt his hunting.


If TN's neighbors intentionally do this to bother or interrupt his hunting, they're in violation of the state's hunter harassment law.



And counter to your position is the harassment of the neighbors by deer rifles shot that close to another's home. Six in one, half a dozen the other. No difference between the two in this specific situation.

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