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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: 2Dogs]
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12/09/13 05:35 PM
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2Dogs, Think yer numbers are wrong. OK. Then let's double the number to be sure all of the deer killed were counted, including yours and your kid's. 7248 / 533,400 = 1.36 percent of deer killed last year reported so far.There's still not quite a VAST MAJORITY of hunters supporting it now, is there?
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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: 2Dogs]
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12/09/13 05:35 PM
12/09/13 05:35 PM
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Yep but oh well just my thoughts on it sure would be nice to grow some high 40's or 50's EVERY year!
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: 49er]
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12/10/13 01:19 AM
12/10/13 01:19 AM
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2Dogs, Think yer numbers are wrong. OK. Then let's double the number to be sure all of the deer killed were counted, including yours and your kid's. 7248 / 533,400 = 1.36 percent of deer killed last year reported so far.There's still not quite a VAST MAJORITY of hunters supporting it now, is there?
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: TrkyHntr]
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12/10/13 02:26 AM
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Yelcka is absolutly correct with his observation of Limestone County. I live in West Limestone, and in my area every spike that takes a step in daylight and alot of times after dark, is gunned down like there is no tomorrow. And pertty much the same goes for doe's. It is amazing that the population is as good as it is. I guess deer migrate down from Giles county ever year and replenish the population.
Last edited by Crawfish; 12/10/13 03:30 AM.
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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: yelkca280]
#774946
12/10/13 02:45 AM
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Matt, I didn't look close enough I guess. Even more surprised that Limestone and especially Lauderdale are at the top...
It would be interesting to see why those counties are leading...more bucks killed due to a higher number of yearling bucks being killed, these counties are just doing exceptionally well and have a lot more bucks than a lot of other counties, more man hours in the woods or are more hunters calling in their kills from these counties than others? There sure is a lot left to be determined.
Matt, what is the state hoping to learn from these numbers, considering the probability that a lot of hunters aren't calling in their kills and there is no info. on the ages of the bucks being killed? Not complaining, and if it's just a warm introduction to a more informative reporting systems then even better.
I was thinking the total numbers looked extremely low, like 9er said. I can tell you the answers to all the questions you ask about Limestone Co. The first thing you need to know is that you are hard pressed to find a track of land over 300 acres in Limestone co. Every little parcel is being hunted inside and outside the city limits by people who are scared that the one and two year old bucks will jump the fence and their neighbor will kill them which they will. Most people in Limestone co like to parade their 70inch stud bull around town, get their picture in the paper, and are loving that they can call someone and tell them they shot a deer. The common comment is how he was a big ol bodied deer and in reality he was a 2 yr old that tipped the scales at about 125 live weight. I wish like hell we would go to one buck per year to stop the madness in this part of the world. If you want to just kill one buck per year, then go for it. I prefer you didn't try and push your thinking down my throat. Just because they say you can kill 3 bucks, doesn't mean you have to. I think everyone should be able to manage their own property by their own standards,. I don't want the state forcing someone to manage their property for trophy deer, if thats not what they want. I believe in QDMA, not TDMA. Just because i believe in QDMA, doesn't mean i want to force it down some else's throat.
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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: jlccoffee]
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12/10/13 04:54 AM
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If the survey is statistically valid as it should be....they don't need to know how many deer you and you son killed to figure out with reasonable accuracy how many deer were killed last year.
I understand perfectly the fact they don't have to know every deer that was killed state wide.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: TBone270WSM]
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12/10/13 04:55 AM
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I think if they were to let each club or group turn in their records as a whole; then the real harvest numbers would probably be more accurate.What do y'all think of this idea. I am sure it would not be a 100 percent by no means; but I believe the data would be far more factual than on an individual level. Even if you don't hunt with a group it would still be more likely that an individual would probably turn in his or her numbers after season. Also what would be wrong with having it where you could just simply keep your totals and say mid February everyone turns your data in by say any given certain day. By doing this even with it not mandatory I feel like most people would abide because of their curiosity and some simply want to see statistics. Just a thought . What do y'all think? What's wrong with what we've already got???220-2-.73 The Alabama Cooperative Deer Management Assistance ProgramSection 1. The Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries of the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources shall administer a program entitled "The Alabama Cooperative Deer Management Assistance Program" to improve management of white-tailed deer through cooperative agreements with landowners and hunting clubs. Section 2. Each prospective participant shall submit an application on a form to be supplied by the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries. Each application must be accompanied by two copies of a map of the area to be included in the Deer Management Program that are of sufficient detail to allow the area's boundaries to be readily determined. Cooperators in Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries Districts 1-2 and 3-5 shall have at least 200 and 500 contiguous acres, respectively. Approval of the application shall be at the discretion of the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries. Each landowner/club approved shall be termed a "cooperator." Section 3. Each cooperator shall designate a person with authority to represent all parties with a controlling interest in hunting activities on the land to serve as the cooperator's contact with the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries. Section 4. The Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries shall designate a Wildlife Biologist, knowledgeable in deer management, as the agency's contact with each cooperator. Section 5. Cooperators must abide by all hunting laws and regulations. Failure to do so shall be cause to terminate participation in the Deer Management Assistance Program. Section 6. Each cooperator shall make a written statement of its deer management objectives. Those objectives must be within the capabilities of the harvest and management strategies that can be applied. Section 7. Each cooperator shall collect specified biological information from deer harvested and submit the data to the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries as directed. Failure to do so shall be cause to terminate participation in the Deer Management Assistance Program.Section 8. Information concerning past harvest, existing conditions and deer management objectives will be considered in the development of a deer management and harvest strategy for each cooperator. Harvest of unantlered deer will be prescribed as appropriate. Section 9. Harvest of unantlered deer outside the regular Hunter's Choice hunting season will be allowed only where appropriate to meet the deer management objectives of the cooperator. The number of unantlered deer to be taken, dates of harvest and bag limits will be designated and shall be by written permit as approved by the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries Director based on recommendations submitted by the Wildlife and Enforcement Sections. The regular Hunter's Choice hunting season shall not apply to the extent of its conflict with the provisions of said permits. Section 10. Any person hunting on areas included in the Deer Management Program shall comply with all applicable laws, rules, and regulations, including those relating to the wearing of hunter orange. Section 11. The Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries shall provide the cooperator a report based on the biological information submitted. pp. 38-39 Alabama Regulation 2013-2014, Game, Fish, Furbearers and Other Wildlife
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220-2-.22-.208ER Wildlife Management Areas and Sanctuaries Established(1) The areas and refuges described in paragraph (2) hereof are hereby established as "wildlife management areas." The boundary lines of these areas and refuges shall be as they are described on the revised maps attached hereto and made a part hereof as though set out herein in full. (2) The names and counties of these areas and refuges are as follows: Autauga County Community Hunting Area (Autauga); Barbour Wildlife Management Area (Barbour, Bullock); Black Warrior Wildlife Management Area (Winston, Lawrence); Blue Spring Wildlife Management Area (Covington); William R. Ireland, Sr. - Cahaba River Wildlife Management Area (Bibb, Shelby); Choccolocco Wildlife Management Area (Cleburne, Calhoun); Coosa Wildlife Management Area (Coosa); Crow Creek Management Area (Jackson); David K. Nelson Wildlife Management Area (Sumter, Greene, Hale, Marengo); Frank W. & Rob M. Boykin Wildlife Management Area (Washington, Mobile); Fred T. Stimpson Community Hunting Area (Clarke); Freedom Hills Wildlife Management Area (Colbert); Geneva State Forest Wildlife Management Area (Geneva, Covington); Grand Bay Savanna Community Hunting Area (Mobile); Hollins Wildlife Management Area (Talladega, Clay); James D. Martin - Skyline Wildlife Management Area (Jackson); Lauderdale Wildlife Management Area (Lauderdale); Little River Wildlife Management Area (DeKalb, Cherokee); Lowndes Wildlife Management Area (Lowndes); Mallard-Fox Creek Wildlife Management Area (Morgan, Lawrence); Mud Creek Management Area (Jackson); Mulberry Fork Wildlife Management Area (Walker, Tuscaloosa); Oakmulgee Wildlife Management Area (Bibb, Perry, Hale, Tuscaloosa); Perdido River Wildlife Management Area (Baldwin); Raccoon Creek Management Area (Jackson); Riverton Community Hunting Area (Colbert); Sam R. Murphy Wildlife Management Area (Lamar, Marion); Scotch Wildlife Management Area (Clarke); Seven Mile Island Wildlife Management Area (Lauderdale); Swan Creek Wildlife Management Area (Limestone); Upper Delta Wildlife Management Area (Baldwin, Mobile); W. L. Holland and Mobile-Tensaw Delta Wildlife Management Areas (Baldwin, Mobile); Wolf Creek Community Hunting Area (Walker, Fayette); Forever Wild Gothard- AWF Yates Lake Wildlife Management Area (Elmore); North Sauty Refuge (Jackson); and Crow Creek Refuge (Jackson)… 220-2-.55 Wildlife Management Areas, Community Hunting Areas, Public Hunting Areas, and Refuges of Alabama(1) It shall be unlawful on ALL WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AREAS, COMMUNITY HUNTING AREAS, PUBLIC HUNTING AREAS, AND REFUGE AREAS, all of which are established as "wildlife management areas" by Rule 220-2-.22 and all of which are hereinafter sometimes collectively referred to herein as "AREAS" or "AREA": … (q) To transport deer killed during gun hunts from any AREA before being checked at the designated checking stations for scientific data, except on David K. Nelson, Grand Bay Savanna, Riverton, Upper Delta, W. L. Holland and Mobile-Tensaw Delta, Wolf Creek, and Forever Wild Gothard–AWF Yates Lake AREAS or to transport turkey without reporting as specified for each AREA.
pp 79-82 Alabama Regulation 2013-2014, Game, Fish, Furbearers and Other Wildlife
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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: 49er]
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12/10/13 05:04 AM
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... Alabama instituted the Deer Management Assistance Program (DMAP) to work with landowners and lease holders to understand the consequences of overpopulation. Included in the program was a method for does to be removed from the herd through a tag system.
“We made an intensive effort on the Deer Management Program in the mid ’80s and early ’90s, when we didn’t have liberal doe harvest, to educate the hunters about doe harvest,” Moody said. “When we first started the DMAP, a lot of clubs saved the tags until late in year. They thought they would wait and a lot of deer didn’t get harvested.
“Our wildlife biologists worked closely with DMAP Cooperators and those who were taking does began to see results. Although many had concerns initially about the number of does to be taken, they began to get confidence in what we were doing. Then we moved into the statewide liberal harvest, got the message out and the public has become more knowledgeable about the need to manage does through proper.”
The educational campaign has become so successful that Alabama hunters now harvest more does than bucks. The 2003-04 Hunter Harvest Survey reveals that doe harvest comprised 54 percent of the total deer harvested and, similarly, 52 percent according to the 2004-05 survey.
“We expect it to fluctuate from year to year,” Moody said. “But you’ve got to consider how much progress has been made. It used to be 70:30 bucks to does. It was tremendously skewed toward buck harvest.
“Today, clubs can get help from the wildlife biologists to determine what needs to be harvested to maintain healthy herds. Because we have a very liberal season, it gives hunters and clubs the opportunity to make the decision. The season framework allows the opportunity for hunters and managers to reach goals for each individual tract they hunt. But, the liberal bag limit was never meant to encourage hunters to take a buck every day of the season.”
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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: 49er]
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12/10/13 05:08 AM
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Deer Management Assistance Program Changes Encourage Enrollment
The Alabama Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries (WFF) has made two significant changes to its Deer Management Assistance Program (DMP). Starting with the 2012-13 hunting season, the enrollment fees will be dropped, and a series of regional meetings will be conducted by WFF biologists to collect the data gathered by participating hunting clubs.
The WFF’s goal is to enroll 400 to 500 hunting clubs scattered evenly across the state in order to collect enough data to help it better understand and manage the state’s deer population. During the 2011-12 hunting season, only 104 participating hunting clubs were enrolled in the program.
Hunting clubs in all parts of the state with 500 acres or more are especially encouraged to enroll in the program. Clubs in the northern part of the state with less than 500 acres that are interested in participating in the DMP are encouraged to contact their district office to discuss enrolling in the program.
According to WFF Wildlife Section Assistant Chief Ray Metzler, participation in the DMP is a win-win situation for both the hunting clubs and the WFF. “Hunting clubs and deer managers will receive free professional technical assistance from a WFF wildlife biologist regarding habitat management, harvest recommendations, breeding chronology, population dynamics, and other facets of white-tailed deer management,” he said. “The WFF will receive much needed age-specific harvest data from hunting clubs throughout the state.”
The DMP was started in 1983 with 10 hunting clubs. Participation quickly grew to approximately 2,200 hunting clubs and included more than 12 percent of the state’s land area. Enrollment in the program declined significantly over the past decade as a result of the liberalization of the statewide antlerless deer hunting seasons. The decline in participation resulted in less age-specific data available to WFF biologists to use in assessing the health and condition of Alabama’s white-tailed deer population.
“By lowering the barriers to DMP participation we hope to ensure the long-term health of the state’s deer herd,” said Chris Cook, WFF Deer Project Study Leader. “Alabama’s hunters are vital to that effort.”
DMP participants are required to obtain sex, weight, lactation rates, antler measurements, and other data for all deer harvested during the hunting season. Hunting clubs interested in partnering with the WFF to assess and better manage local deer populations can enroll in the program by contacting their district office. WFF District Wildlife Office contact information is listed below and can also be found online at outdooralabama.com.
WFF District Wildlife Office Contact Information:
Montgomery Headquarters
(334) 242-3469
District I
Counties: Blount, Colbert, Cullman, Fayette, Franklin, Lamar, Lauderdale, Lawrence, Limestone, Madison, Marion, Morgan, Walker, and Winston.
(256) 353-2634
District II
Counties: Calhoun, Chambers, Cherokee, Clay, Cleburne, Coosa, DeKalb, Etowah, Jackson, Randolph, St. Clair, Talladega, and Tallapoosa.
(256) 435-5422
District III
Counties: Autauga, Bibb, Chilton, Dallas, Greene, Hale, Jefferson, Lowndes, Marengo, Perry, Pickens, Shelby, Sumter, and Tuscaloosa.
(205) 339-5716
District IV
Counties: Barbour, Bullock, Coffee, Covington, Crenshaw, Dale, Elmore, Geneva, Henry, Houston, Lee, Macon, Montgomery, Pike, and Russell.
(334) 347-9467
District V
Counties: Baldwin, Butler, Choctaw, Clarke, Conecuh, Escambia, Marengo, Mobile, Monroe, Washington, and Wilcox.
(251) 626-5474
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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: scrape]
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12/10/13 05:42 AM
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so you want to say that we shouldn't kill 3 bucks because the people youv'e known all your life are killing 20 to 30 bucks a year. why should we only shoot one buck so that they can shoot 20 or 30. sounds like its time for them to pay up. ive found most outlaws would be more than happy to snitch you out 10x faster. In less that 12hrs I have proved my point. The majority of hunters in Limestone co have so little dirt to hunt on they can not stand the thoughts of letting any buck walk. I hope yall kill every last dang one of them! Yall get on down the Wal Marts and buy some more bullets. Oh and make sure you tell everyone exactly where you killed it when you put your picture in the Athens news paper.
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Re: Game Check #'s so far
[Re: ZHunt]
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12/10/13 06:31 AM
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Can anyone answer or provide a theory as to how the State determined the amount of deer that was killed last year? And also, the State must already know that only a certain percentage of deer will be reported on the Game Check system. I wonder what percentage they will assume? Will they look at other state's Game Check numbers vs. actual data? Will our State still determine to amount of deer we kill using the same approach as in previous years (which refers back to my first question). Haaa, the more I think about this the more questions I have! Start at the front of this report. It explains how the survey is conducted, etc. 2012-2013 Hunter Survey Report *** click here *** Don't overlook this: The Alabama Hunting Survey estimates are by no means the only source of information concerning wildlife management decisions, hunting, and game animal populations in this state. We gain much information from other research and surveys, public comments, nuisance wildlife complaints, crop damage reports, road kills, occurrence of disease and parasite problems, law enforcement reports, historical information, etc. All available information is considered in order to develop management programs that meet the needs of Alabama’s wildlife resources and the people who enjoy them. There are 32 state wildlife management areas along with DMAP management units where plenty of hard biological data is collected all across the state.
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