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Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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09/08/13 07:05 AM
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According to the Alabama hunter survey the total number of deer harvested in Alabama since 2004-2005 season has been on a steady decline. From a record high of 499,000 in 2004-2005 to 255,000 in 2011-012.
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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What about license sales for the same time period? Or the method in which those harvest numbers were obtained? Without all of the data an opinion someone gives you is nothing more than BS.
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the 3 buck limit had a little to do with that...
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the 3 buck limit had a little to do with that... It's 2 deer a day.
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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Number of hunters also declined from 334,000 to 232,000. So number of hunters declined 30%. While deer harvest went down 49%. So that leaves a 19% or a decline of 95,000 that can not be attributed to fewer hunters.
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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Number of hunters also declined from 334,000 to 232,000. So number of hunters declined 30%. While deer harvest went down 49%. So that leaves a 19% or a decline of 95,000 that can not be attributed to fewer hunters. When did the all season doe blasting go into effect?? How many people stopped shooting every deer they see because of the hassle and cost of processing?? How many leases went to self imposed limits because they were not seeing 30 does on the foodplots anymore?? How much property has been taken off the hunting market because of development or incorporation?? Are there fewer man-days being hunted on private lands?? Are there more or less man-days being hunted on the public lands? Have more restrictions been placed on number of deer that can be harvested, 3 buck rule comes to mind? In the highest figure of kills, how many were bucks, how many were does? If there was a high number of does killed and they are no being killed now and the number of bucks went down from one a day to 3 per season, wouldn't that reduce the number of deer killed?? If there are fewer hunters in the woods there is more space for the deer to be without being seen, which one would think would cause less deer to be shot. Numbers don't mean squat if there is no information regarding the variables to back up the OPINIONS. I know how we can find out what the "real numbers are", all the State has to do is FORCE all hunters under penalty of law to register their deer, yeah, that's the ticket (figuratively and literally)!! Looks like a person would have a lot of homework to do before they could form an opinion regarding the harvest numbers Statewide.
Last edited by Fun4all; 09/08/13 07:59 AM.
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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Just my opinion but I have seen a major decline in deer numbers since doe days went season long.
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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Yep that's how you get more deer you kill all the baby makers! Lol..
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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Just my opinion but I have seen a major decline in deer numbers since doe days went season long. The season long doe days and 2 doe a day limit was SUPPOSED to reduce deer numbers! What do you think they implemented it for?
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the 3 buck limit had a little to do with that... It's 2 deer a day. That is not a correction. There is a SEASON LIMIT on BUCKS 3 as stated. That started in 2007, thus that has to have accounted for some reduction of Total harvest numbers.
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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It is OK.
The areas in the state that were over populated now have deer that have migrated to those areas that were under populated and there is now a balance of deer with their habitat.
There is also a balance of does and bucks everywhere throughout the state and the age structure of bucks is in balance now.
The deer study committee has had it all under control since 2007, so we can rest assured everything is now alright with our deer herd.
Just continue to do whatever they tell you, no matter how much trouble it may be, and don't worry about anything.
The deer study committee has spoken. Nothing else matters. hey don't forget Alfa cause they really have the "hunters" interests @ heart! Lmao
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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Number of hunters also declined from 334,000 to 232,000. So number of hunters declined 30%. While deer harvest went down 49%. So that leaves a 19% or a decline of 95,000 that can not be attributed to fewer hunters. When did the all season doe blasting go into effect?? How many people stopped shooting every deer they see because of the hassle and cost of processing?? How many leases went to self imposed limits because they were not seeing 30 does on the foodplots anymore?? How much property has been taken off the hunting market because of development or incorporation?? Are there fewer man-days being hunted on private lands?? Are there more or less man-days being hunted on the public lands? Have more restrictions been placed on number of deer that can be harvested, 3 buck rule comes to mind? In the highest figure of kills, how many were bucks, how many were does? If there was a high number of does killed and they are no being killed now and the number of bucks went down from one a day to 3 per season, wouldn't that reduce the number of deer killed?? If there are fewer hunters in the woods there is more space for the deer to be without being seen, which one would think would cause less deer to be shot. Numbers don't mean squat if there is no information regarding the variables to back up the OPINIONS. I know how we can find out what the "real numbers are", all the State has to do is FORCE all hunters under penalty of law to register their deer, yeah, that's the ticket (figuratively and literally)!! Looks like a person would have a lot of homework to do before they could form an opinion regarding the harvest numbers Statewide. Most all those questions can be answered by reading the reports
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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09/08/13 09:56 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the 3 buck limit had a little to do with that... It's 2 deer a day. That is not a correction. There is a SEASON LIMIT on BUCKS 3 as stated. That started in 2007, thus that has to have accounted for some reduction of Total harvest numbers. 2 deer a day is still 2 deer a day, regardless of the sex of the deer.
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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09/08/13 10:14 AM
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Number of hunters also declined from 334,000 to 232,000. So number of hunters declined 30%. While deer harvest went down 49%. So that leaves a 19% or a decline of 95,000 that can not be attributed to fewer hunters. When did the all season doe blasting go into effect?? How many people stopped shooting every deer they see because of the hassle and cost of processing?? How many leases went to self imposed limits because they were not seeing 30 does on the foodplots anymore?? How much property has been taken off the hunting market because of development or incorporation?? Are there fewer man-days being hunted on private lands?? Are there more or less man-days being hunted on the public lands? Have more restrictions been placed on number of deer that can be harvested, 3 buck rule comes to mind? In the highest figure of kills, how many were bucks, how many were does? If there was a high number of does killed and they are no being killed now and the number of bucks went down from one a day to 3 per season, wouldn't that reduce the number of deer killed?? If there are fewer hunters in the woods there is more space for the deer to be without being seen, which one would think would cause less deer to be shot. Numbers don't mean squat if there is no information regarding the variables to back up the OPINIONS. I know how we can find out what the "real numbers are", all the State has to do is FORCE all hunters under penalty of law to register their deer, yeah, that's the ticket (figuratively and literally)!! Looks like a person would have a lot of homework to do before they could form an opinion regarding the harvest numbers Statewide. Most all those questions can be answered by reading the reports I am sure they can without any assumption being made or numbers made up and all variables taken into account. Finite data with assumptions does not take into account of infinite variables. Even the Biologist say the make up numbers on deer populations, that gives me confidence in the numbers. On WMA's they keep better records and can provide a glimpse of accuracy of maybe 75% for gun hunts for who checks in and out and at best 50% for bowhunts for the impact that occurs on a finite amount of property. Do you think Statewide is even remotely close to that??
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Re: Opinion on decline of state deer harvest last 8 years.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the 3 buck limit had a little to do with that... It's 2 deer a day. That is not a correction. There is a SEASON LIMIT on BUCKS 3 as stated. That started in 2007, thus that has to have accounted for some reduction of Total harvest numbers. 2 deer a day is still 2 deer a day, regardless of the sex of the deer. I think what they may be surmising is, since the limit was imposed, once a hunter got his or her 3 bucks they were done. They may have in the past been killing 6 or 8 or 10 etc.
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