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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: slipn]
#65581
12/29/10 10:16 PM
12/29/10 10:16 PM
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Madison, AL
wmd
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i agree 100% - all it would take is a 2-part tag system and each county divided into sections - buck and doe harvests would be reported and the deer herd in each section could be micro-managed - too bad some people are opposed to it - seems like it would be a lot better than wasting them
No, not quite. I didn't say anything about a tag system, and the law doesn't either. The problem is caused by closing the antlerless season and having a daily bag limit on them when the season is open in areas where there is a severe crop depredation problem. Notice that it doesn't even have to be a whole county. It can be a part of the county where the season is open. Then, if the farmers want the deer killed, they can either do it themselves or let more people hunt to get it done. If not, they can live with their problem. sorry 49er - i hadn't posted in a while - i forgot you're that guy into legalism - complain about everything and squeeze the letter of the law instead of taking action and implementing the procedures to help rectify the problem Huh? The law in place is the procedure to rectify the problem - the DCNR just isn't working within the established framework.
"Any way you look at it, most of the problems facing baboons can be expressed in two words: other baboons" -
D.L. Cheney and R.M. Seyfarth
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: BuckFord]
#65669
12/30/10 06:33 AM
12/30/10 06:33 AM
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Colbert County
Teacher One
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Several posted about the monies farmers were paid to "subsidize" their income in the event of crop loses. Last time I looked, not many farms left in Colbert County so these monies are not sufficient to cover incurred losses. I closed my farming operations in the early 90's after losing my rear end for years. Now I lease all my properties in Al and TN and let the hunters "subsidize" me now. Best move I ever made.
I can't stand a thief.
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: wmd]
#65680
12/30/10 06:59 AM
12/30/10 06:59 AM
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Posts: 10,997
Warrior River Country
49er
Booner
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Booner
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sorry 49er - i hadn't posted in a while - i forgot you're that guy into legalism - complain about everything and squeeze the letter of the law instead of taking action and implementing the procedures to help rectify the problem Huh? The law in place is the procedure to rectify the problem - the DCNR just isn't working within the established framework. Exactly. It has nothing at all to do with my personality or what I do or do not do.
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: Frankie]
#65681
12/30/10 07:03 AM
12/30/10 07:03 AM
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Warrior River Country
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so , you saying do it this way or that way and to hell with the land owners rights . lol I'm saying the law should be put into practice instead of the current policy the DCNR cooked up on it's own. The law specifically calls for the landowner's approval. If the landowner wants to try to kill them all himself, he can have at it since the season would be open to allow it. If he wants others to help, he can still decide who he wants to help. So how is that a violation of landowner's rights?
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: Frankie]
#65747
12/30/10 09:18 AM
12/30/10 09:18 AM
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Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
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Hogwild ,,, the best advice i can give people that hunta active farm is to work close with the farmer . if the farmer is having damage then the club needs to take more deer from that area or field .
in most cases if they work with the farmer the farmer will work with them . That is good advice. But, often the farmer has a whole different viewpoint on deer than the leasor. They don't communicate on the same plane. Also, the farmer needs to realize that the lease money could be viewed as compensation for Crop Damage.... + with most leasors, they actually improve the property and take very good care of the roads as compared to just random access by locals. It should be a Win/Win situation for both parties if viewed in that aspect. Most farmers just don't care about deer; and have no regard for those who do.
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: Frankie]
#65771
12/30/10 09:42 AM
12/30/10 09:42 AM
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St. Clair County
Big Jack
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I think, to a degree, we already do that through subsidies for yield loss.
I knew some farmers, back in the days when they had to shoot them and let them lay where they fell(do they still do that?), that would gut shoot them with a small bore rifle so they would run back into the woods and die. Now I am highly against that sort of crap, damage or no damage.
"Its a damn weak minded person who can only think of one way to spell a work." Andrew Jackson
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: BuckFord]
#65975
12/30/10 06:37 PM
12/30/10 06:37 PM
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Posts: 1,716
Winfield
rst87
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Winfield
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243shooter I agree with you on the shooting and let them lay. I have always herd that according to the law they had to leave them?? not sure. I think they need to be used for something.
Far as the farmer letting you hunt, the farmer doesn't always have a say so in who hunts because prob most of the land that is farmed is rented to the farmer. Now i know farmers own land of their own and that is a diffrent story. I agree on letting some one hunt if the deer are a problem. I have saw alot of deer damage to soybeans and even total damage to a cotton crop when it is in its early growth stage. But we do need to remember if the farmer owns the land it is his and can do what he wants as long as it is legal.
Crop insurance is just like any other insurance it Never covers like it should.
Most of all The Farmers need to survive, because we don't need to depend on China for food like we do for most everthing else!! $.02
"Life is hard; It's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: Hogwild]
#66021
12/30/10 07:55 PM
12/30/10 07:55 PM
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Posts: 15,935
Elmore County
Frankie
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Hogwild ,,, the best advice i can give people that hunta active farm is to work close with the farmer . if the farmer is having damage then the club needs to take more deer from that area or field .
in most cases if they work with the farmer the farmer will work with them . That is good advice. But, often the farmer has a whole different viewpoint on deer than the leasor. They don't communicate on the same plane. Also, the farmer needs to realize that the lease money could be viewed as compensation for Crop Damage.... + with most leasors, they actually improve the property and take very good care of the roads as compared to just random access by locals. It should be a Win/Win situation for both parties if viewed in that aspect. Most farmers just don't care about deer; and have no regard for those who do. if leasing is working to the benefit of him , he'll work with them . if the farmer won't work with me i would not lease from him , most i know would . these after season hunts are a hassle in every way . beaver really caused us the most trouble . believe it or not they eat grown cotton and back the water up in the fields. in one field of soybean geese caused more damage than deer did . so i agree some farmers are rough on the wildlife , hell they have to be at times .
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: rst87]
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12/30/10 08:04 PM
12/30/10 08:04 PM
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Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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243shooter I agree with you on the shooting and let them lay. I have always herd that according to the law they had to leave them?? not sure. I think they need to be used for something.
Far as the farmer letting you hunt, the farmer doesn't always have a say so in who hunts because prob most of the land that is farmed is rented to the farmer. Now i know farmers own land of their own and that is a diffrent story. I agree on letting some one hunt if the deer are a problem. I have saw alot of deer damage to soybeans and even total damage to a cotton crop when it is in its early growth stage. But we do need to remember if the farmer owns the land it is his and can do what he wants as long as it is legal.
Crop insurance is just like any other insurance it Never covers like it should.
Most of all The Farmers need to survive, because we don't need to depend on China for food like we do for most everthing else!! $.02 lol ,,, insurance !!!! yeah it's like wrecking a 10 year old car . if its a lot of damage they total it and pay you nothing but it'll cost you 30,000 dollars to replace it .
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: BuckFord]
#66038
12/30/10 08:17 PM
12/30/10 08:17 PM
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Posts: 552
Ohio
yoteslayer0927
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The state of Ohio has a web site where as they match hunters with farmers who are experiencing crop depredation by deer. The farmer is issued extra doe permits that can be given to hunters to use on the farmers land.....Its a great system as all deer have to be checked and the state knows what has been killed and in which county they have been killed.
FYI...I do some depredation work for some local u-pick vegetable farms and you are suppose to leave the deer lay....however the game warden here says we can haul them off the fields but they had best not be gutted or have any horns removed.
Last edited by yoteslayer0927; 12/30/10 08:21 PM.
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: BuckFord]
#66056
12/30/10 08:50 PM
12/30/10 08:50 PM
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Posts: 1,984
Huntsville
BuckFord
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The Hereford Farm I believe , have pay dove hunts every year so I don't know why they wouldn't consider having pay deer hunts during the season to help with there problem. Killing deer and letting them rot is just wrong no matter what the reason.
Last edited by BuckFord; 12/30/10 08:51 PM.
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: Frankie]
#66057
12/30/10 08:51 PM
12/30/10 08:51 PM
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Winfield
rst87
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beaver really caused us the most trouble . believe it or not they eat grown cotton and back the water up in the fields. in one field of soybean geese caused more damage than deer did .
so i agree some farmers are rough on the wildlife , hell they have to be at times . [/quote]
yep beaver can really screw a field up, I've had my experience with them dang things in cotton fields.
Hogs are also a big problem. In north al where i was raised there hasn't been any around, but a bunch of people thought it would be cool to turn them out so they could hunt them. This has not helped anything. They were not thinking of surrounding landowners.
"Life is hard; It's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: rst87]
#66195
12/31/10 09:18 AM
12/31/10 09:18 AM
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Posts: 707
dallas county alabama
baitstop
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Posts: 707
dallas county alabama
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I'm not a fan of shooting them and letting them rot but that's the only choice the law gives.I lease from a farmer and he doesn't shoot deer off my lease as long as we take a good # for him.He does lay them down on his other tracts though and he killed 100+ this summer,did it help ...No. We planted a 150ac field twice and it was ate down twice,he's thinking about getting out of it if he doesn't get a good crop this summer.Oh yeah even after "crop insurance" he was still out of @ $250,000 so I see his hatred for a deer.People can say the deer are not here like they used to be if thay want but I shined bean fields this summer and was shocked,they're plenty here just smarter..
The h#ll with it,let's go hunting!
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: BuckFord]
#66206
12/31/10 09:49 AM
12/31/10 09:49 AM
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NE Madison county Alabama
msudog
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NE Madison county Alabama
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The Hereford Farm I believe , have pay dove hunts every year so I don't know why they wouldn't consider having pay deer hunts during the season to help with there problem. Killing deer and letting them rot is just wrong no matter what the reason. yea, paid hunts would be win win. letting them rot is wrong period. as rich as madison county is, there are still people really hurting for food.
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Re: Farmers Permit for Shooting Deer
[Re: BuckFord]
#66212
12/31/10 10:10 AM
12/31/10 10:10 AM
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cantonment florida
Geronimo
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cantonment florida
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Well if anyone knows of a farmer in the southern part of the state that needs help with some doe (or hog) killing, I'd be glad to help him out. We only have one month left and I've only put one in the freezer so far.
"I'm just an old chunk of coal but I'm gonna be a diamond some day."
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