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A Plea for Integrity on Alligator Lottery Winner Day
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That's the name of today's Bible lesson. Funny how it fell on Alabama Alligator Lottery Winner Day ain't it? This is especially for you YEKRUT. (All of you should listen) I sent the link to all our lawmakers too: A Plea for Integrity *** click here ***
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Re: A Plea for Integrity (not pasting the whole WWW YEKRUT)
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Here's an email reply I just got from one state senator who voted for SB93 declaring all federal gun control laws and rules void. Then he helped pass Ed Henry's version of SB286 which turned a good bill into a 36 page gun control bill here in our own state: With all do respect Eddie I feel good about my personal integrity. Thank you for the lecture though. Respectfully, Cam Ward State Senator- District 14 (H) 205-664-1066 (W) 205-664-6848 (Capitol) 334-242-7873 www.camward.comThis is what he called a "lecture": Alabama Legislators, You all vowed a solemn vow to support our constitutions before you assumed the powers the people of this state delegated to you. Do you have integrity? Please take time to listen to the following lesson for today on Insight for Living about your integrity: http://www.insightforliving.com/3/BroadcastPlayerDonate2.asp Sincerely, Eddie Maxwell
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Re: A Plea for Integrity (not pasting the whole WWW YEKRUT)
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I opened this just to let you know I didn't read any of it, or will I read yer reply....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Re: A Plea for Integrity (not pasting the whole WWW YEKRUT)
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Constitution Of Alabama 1901
Article IV Legislative Department.
SECTION 65
Lotteries and gift enterprises prohibited.
The legislature shall have no power to authorize lotteries or gift enterprises for any purposes, and shall pass laws to prohibit the sale in this state of lottery or gift enterprise tickets, or tickets in any scheme in the nature of a lottery; and all acts, or parts of acts heretofore passed by the legislature of this state, authorizing a lottery or lotteries, and all acts amendatory thereof, or supplemental thereto, are hereby avoided.
Article XVI Oath of Office.
SECTION 279
Required of members of legislature and executive and judicial officers; form; administration.
All members of the legislature, and all officers, executive and judicial, before they enter upon the execution of the duties of their respective offices, shall take the following oath or affirmation:
"I, …, solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Alabama, so long as I continue a citizen thereof; and that I will faithfully and honestly discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter, to the best of my ability. So help me God."
The oath may be administered by the presiding officer of either house of the legislature, or by any officer authorized by law to administer an oath.
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Re: A Plea for Integrity (not pasting the whole WWW YEKRUT)
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The definition of a lottery is that it offers a person the chance to win a prize in exchange for something of lesser value. No skill is required.
I would argue that for $6, you do not get something that is of more value, therefore it really is not a true lottery.
If you win, it is going to cost you a bunch of money instead. Gas to drive to the pre-hunt meeting, gas for your boat, supplies. Then you kill the gator and what are you going to do with it. No market for meat in this area. You will pay to get the head mounted and likely discard much of the rest, though you might spend some more money to have something done with the hide.
What I am saying is for $6, you get something that is going to cost you $250 up to $7,000 (if you mount the whole gator).
You are getting the opportunity to incur an expense. I would not call that a prize.
And if you are going to possibly end up with anything of value in the end, you are going to need some skill to kill that gator.
So....don't feel bad if you win the Gator Lottery today. It really isn't a true "lottery."
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Re: A Plea for Integrity (not pasting the whole WWW YEKRUT)
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Re: A Plea for Integrity (not pasting the whole WWW YEKRUT)
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Here's how the Alabama Legislature defines a lottery Swampy: Section 13A-12-20
Definitions.
The following definitions apply to this article:... (6) LOTTERY or POLICY. An unlawful gambling scheme in which: a. The players pay or agree to pay something of value for chances, represented and differentiated by numbers or by combinations of numbers or by some other medium, one or more of which chances are to be designated by the winning ones; and b. The winning chances are to be determined by a drawing or by some other fortuitous method; and c. The holders of the winning chances are to receive something of value. Title 13A CRIMINAL CODE.
Article 2 Gambling Offenses.
Article 2 Gambling Offenses.
Division 1 General Provisions.
Section 13A-12-20 Definitions.
Section 13A-12-21 Simple gambling.
Section 13A-12-22 Promoting gambling.
Section 13A-12-23 Conspiracy to promote gambling.
Section 13A-12-24 Possession of gambling records in the first degree.
Section 13A-12-25 Possession of gambling records in the second degree.
Section 13A-12-26 Defense to prosecution for possession of gambling records.
Section 13A-12-27 Possession of gambling device.
Section 13A-12-28 Prima facie proof of gambling offenses.
Section 13A-12-29 Lottery occurring outside state no defense to prosecution under Section 13A-12-22.
Section 13A-12-30 Forfeiture of gambling devices and gambling proceeds.
Section 13A-12-31 Legalized pari-mutuel betting not affected.
Division 2 Suppression of Gambling Places.
Section 13A-12-50 Unlawful to maintain electric bells, etc.
Section 13A-12-51 District attorney to file complaint on certain information.
Section 13A-12-52 Exhibiting gambling devices in barred house or where speaking tubes or electric signals are used.
Section 13A-12-53 Owner permitting any person to equip any room, etc.
Section 13A-12-54 When affidavit made, court to examine affiant under oath.
Section 13A-12-55 Duty of officer to break into and enter house.
Section 13A-12-56 Arrest of occupants of house.
Section 13A-12-57 Trial; defendant bound over.
Section 13A-12-58 Presence of bells, etc., prima facie evidence.
Division 3 Transportation of Lottery Paraphernalia.
Section 13A-12-70 Transportation by certain persons; seizure of vehicles used.
Section 13A-12-71 Movement of vehicle need not be shown.
Section 13A-12-72 Procedure for condemnation and forfeiture of vehicle.
Section 13A-12-73 Sale of forfeited vehicle; rights of bailor, conditional vendor or mortgagee.
Section 13A-12-74 Disposition of proceeds of sale of forfeited vehicle.
Section 13A-12-75 Transportation of articles not commonly used in numbers or policy game not unlawful.
Section 13A-12-76 Bona fide coin-operated amusement machines.
Division 4 Federal Wagering Occupational Tax Stamp.
Section 13A-12-90 Possession, etc., of stamp prima facie evidence of violation of gambling laws.
Section 13A-12-91 Production of stamp warrants indictment or information.
Section 13A-12-92 Proof of ownership, etc.
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Re: A Plea for Integrity (not pasting the whole WWW YEKRUT)
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Is 49 upset with people alligator hunting or the word "lottery" being used to describe how tags are drawn? Both. Hunting protected animals at night and by illegal means and methods is forbidden by law. Keep your "harvest thingy" with you when you go deer hunting though.
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Re: A Plea for Integrity (not pasting the whole WWW YEKRUT)
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Out of all the stuff to fight for, I'm so confused why this is so important to you. As Troy would say
Last edited by TChunter; 07/12/13 06:59 AM.
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Re: A Plea for Integrity on Alligator Lottery Winner Day
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Congratulations!!!
You have successfully made the transformation from hunters and gun owners advocate/activist to what Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Louis Farrakhan are to the black community... A self promoting agitator.
I fully support your right to speak your opinion, as that is all I am doing.
Good Grief! So you don't like to hear the truth. You don't have anything to say in support of the DCNR conducting a lottery when our constitution and our laws forbid it? You don't have anything to say about the DCNR promoting illegal night hunting? You don't have anything to say about charging hunters $6 a chance to hunt alligators when the price of hunting licenses is set by law? Where did the authority to charge $6 per chance to hunt alligators come from? Your opinion stinks. This has nothing at all to do with racial matters. You just want to attack me because you can't refute what I've pointed out.
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Re: A Plea for Integrity on Alligator Lottery Winner Day
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Just out of curiosity what is the difference between shooting a gator at night and shooting a raccoon at night. The law authorizes the commissioner to allow hunting raccoons at night Josh. It does not authorize the commissioner to allow hunting alligators at night. Maybe it should. If so, there is a legal process outlined in our state constitution for amending the law. The commissioner vowed to support the provisions of our constitution. His job is to administer the laws our legislature has written, not break them. Section 9-11-235
Taking, etc., of protected birds or animals, raccoons or opossums at night; nighttime hunting of foxes with dogs.
It shall be unlawful, except as to trapping as otherwise provided by law, for a person to take, capture, or kill, or attempt to take, capture, or kill any bird or animal protected by the laws of this state between sunset and daylight of the following day, except that the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources may by a duly promulgated regulation, allow the taking, catching, or killing of raccoons and opossums between sunset and daylight in any county or counties within the state. In any county where the taking, catching, or killing of raccoons and opossums is permitted during nighttime hours by regulations of the commissioner, the animals may only be legally taken with the use of a light and/or a shotgun using shot no larger than number eight, and the person or persons so hunting shall be accompanied by a dog or dogs and, if hunting on the lands of another, shall have the written permission of the landowner.
Any person violating this section shall be guilty of a Class B misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished for the first offense by a fine of not less than two thousand dollars ($2,000) nor more than three thousand dollars ($3,000) and may be imprisoned in the county jail for a period not to exceed six months. In addition, the court shall revoke all hunting license privileges for a period of three years from the date of conviction.
No provision of this section shall be construed to prohibit the nighttime hunting of foxes with dogs.
(Acts 1935, No. 383, p. 813, §5; Code 1940, T. 8, §86; Acts 1949, No. 662, p. 1026, §1; Acts 1953, No. 767, p. 1028, §1; Acts 1982, No. 82-488, p. 811, §1; Acts 1995, No. 95-215, p. 252, §2; Act 2008-384, p. 714, §1.)
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Re: A Plea for Integrity on Alligator Lottery Winner Day
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As a Delta tag holder for the 2013 season, I would like to say that this attempt to suck the fun out of alligator hunting HAS NOT WORKED!!!!!!!!
Lets not be honest. The way this really goes is you ride around in the dark with a bunch of your buddies trying to find a gator with a spot light. When you find one, you then attempt to snag it with a rod and reel. Then, you attempt to get said gator to the side of the boat, then attempt to get a noose around said gator's head. And that is when all hell really beaks loose.......
Can we not just all get along and agree that this is the equivalent of Willy Wonka's Golden Ticket for rednecks?
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Re: A Plea for Integrity on Alligator Lottery Winner Day
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As a Delta tag holder for the 2013 season, I would like to say that this attempt to suck the fun out of alligator hunting HAS NOT WORKED!!!!!!!!
Lets not be honest. The way this really goes is you ride around in the dark with a bunch of your buddies trying to find a gator with a spot light. When you find one, you then attempt to snag it with a rod and reel. Then, you attempt to get said gator to the side of the boat, then attempt to get a noose around said gator's head. And that is when all hell really beaks loose.......
Can we not just all get along and agree that this is the equivalent of Willy Wonka's Golden Ticket for rednecks? Now that you've brought it up, does that method of hunting comply with the following additional law? Section 9-11-245
Unlawful methods of hunting birds or animals protected by law or regulation.
No person shall at any time make use of any pitfall, deadfall, baited field, cage, trap, net, pen, baited hook, snare, poison, explosive, or chemical for the purpose of injuring, capturing, or killing birds or animals protected by law or regulation of this state. This section shall not prevent the trapping of animals classified as fur-bearing animals by a duly licensed fur catcher. It shall be legal to use a scaffold for gun hunting of all legal game species except wild turkey and to use a scaffold for bow hunting of all legal game species.
(Acts 1951, No. 1001, p. 1672, §2; Acts 1975, No. 195, p. 681, §1; Acts 1995, No. 95-563, p. 1174, §1.)
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Re: A Plea for Integrity on Alligator Lottery Winner Day
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49'r why don't you rant about hunting coons at night with a spotlight? Do the coons not deserve a thread? And in the second copy and paste in your last post yes alligator hunting is legal inside of those guidelines. Can't gator hunt with a baited hook in bama.
Yeah c’mon. Daniel White
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