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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: BhamFred] #593022
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Sorry guys, but it is gun control.

I'm fighting sheriffs and legislators right now who don't want me carrying my pistols in my vehicle.

Over here, I'm fighting people who don't want me using my Blackhawk to hunt with.

No difference the way I see it.

Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #593028
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you've got a twisted way of looking at bow season...


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #593032
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"That would be fine. That's the proper purpose of setting seasons and bag limits... to insure the perpetuation of the species."

So, if 40 years ago it had been made an any weapon season and the harvest of the first month (bow season) had increased 7X, would it be safe to say that the deer population would be near nothing at this time if bag limits had not been changed to handle the increase in deer taken?

So therefore, the fact that it was made bow only did serve the purpose of increasing the population. If that is too logical for you I will try again.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #593034
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And please address the unregulated hunting that almost whipped out the deer, turkey and elk from this country. You always seem to omit discussing that part when you are lobbying for no restrictions on hunting.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: BhamFred] #593035
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Troy,

You ever read the Heller opinion of the US Supreme Court where the Court said hunting was a part of the right protected by the 2nd Amendment?

Bearing arms is a right and hunting is a right. The Court recognized that hunting was one means of maintaining proficiency in the use of arms that is a necessary part of bearing them for defense.

Even though we agreed in our state constitution that hunting can be regulated in accordance with law, it is still a fundamental right that can only be restricted for legitimate purposes. Bow only season doesn't rise to the level of being a legitimate purpose to restrict our fundamental right to hunt.

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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: 49er] #593038
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Originally Posted By: 49er
Sorry guys, but it is gun control.

I'm fighting sheriffs and legislators right now who don't want me carrying my pistols in my vehicle.

Over here, I'm fighting people who don't want me using my Blackhawk to hunt with.

No difference the way I see it.


Ding Ding Ding, you finally said it. "The way you see it"! Hate to tell you this but you opinion of something does not make it fact.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #593041
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and the state of Alabama dosen't restrict your right to shoot or hunt with a gun in bow only season, only what you can shoot. Like.....no deer....or turkey....or bear.....


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: ElkHunter] #593042
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Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
And please address the unregulated hunting that almost whipped out the deer, turkey and elk from this country. You always seem to omit discussing that part when you are lobbying for no restrictions on hunting.


Barry, I've been hunting for more than 50 years. I helped bring deer back in Alabama by supporting legitimate laws that promoted conservation.

I've never been cited for a violation of our hunting and fishing laws. Your being dishonest when you try to paint me as one who thinks there should be no game and fish laws. You know that is not the case, so don't lie about it.

Your argument is without merit.

Bow only season rules are quite different from laws that are necessary for the conservation of the species.

Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: BhamFred] #593058
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
and the state of Alabama dosen't restrict your right to shoot or hunt with a gun in bow only season, only what you can shoot. Like.....no deer....or turkey....or bear.....


Troy,

You're contradicting yourself trying to fight a losing battle.

There is no compelling public interest involved that merits rules to restrict the right to hunt with a free choice of otherwise lawful implements during the first six weeks of deer season.

Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: BSK] #593071
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When crossbows were first allowed to be used during the regular archery season, I wasn't too keen on it just because it meant having to deal with more folks in the woods (ditto for the week-long muzzleloader season in November). I got over all of that. Now, as long as a person follows the regs/laws, it doesn't bother me anymore what they kill, what weapon they use, or when in the season they kill them. Sure has made deer season a lot more fun.


And that's exactly why I'm an advocate of just having a "deer season," and letting hunters decide what weapon they want to hunt with. Get over all these "special weapons" seasons, the only purpose for which are to provide a few people with more exclusive hunting time.


Where are BSK and wmd now when I need 'em?

Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: 49er] #593095
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Lol. No one is restricting yout rights. They are giving me more rights by allowing me to bowhunt. Get out of here with your anti-gov garbage. Don't hunt if you don't like it.

Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #593108
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I dont think they are restricting any rights to hunt during the first 6 weeks of the season. I think that they added six weeks to the season for ONLY the use of archery equipment. I look at the glass half full...not half empty.

We are getting six EXTRA weeks where we can enjoy deer hunting without them being pressured by gun shots. In my humble opinion its like...a bonus plan!

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Originally Posted By: outdoorobsession
I dont think they are restricting any rights to hunt during the first 6 weeks of the season. I think that they added six weeks to the season for ONLY the use of archery equipment. I look at the glass half full...not half empty.

We are getting six EXTRA weeks where we can enjoy deer hunting without them being pressured by gun shots. In my humble opinion its like...a bonus plan!

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Hmm!

Do I hear a proposal for a special deer season for sub-sonic ammo and sound suppressors?

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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: 49er] #593155
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Originally Posted By: 49er
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and the state of Alabama dosen't restrict your right to shoot or hunt with a gun in bow only season, only what you can shoot. Like.....no deer....or turkey....or bear.....


Troy,

You're contradicting yourself trying to fight a losing battle.

There is no compelling public interest involved that merits rules to restrict the right to hunt with a free choice of otherwise lawful implements during the first six weeks of deer season.


I ain't fighting a losing battle......


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: jpippin] #593164
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Originally Posted By: jpippin
They are giving me more rights by allowing me to bowhunt.


Oh... Ouch, you must be under 30. The GOV'T does NOT give ANY rights, the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights outlines the ones GOD gives us. The GOV'T can only take them away or restrict them.... Which they seem to take pleasure in more and more every day.

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Originally Posted By: gobbler
Originally Posted By: jpippin
They are giving me more rights by allowing me to bowhunt.


Oh... Ouch, you must be under 30. The GOV'T does NOT give ANY rights, the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights outlines the ones GOD gives us. The GOV'T can only take them away or restrict them.... Which they seem to take pleasure in more and more every day.


you are so right there gobbler! its a shame too.

Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: jpippin] #593239
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Originally Posted By: jpippin
Lol. No one is restricting yout rights. They are giving me more rights by allowing me to bowhunt. Get out of here with your anti-gov garbage. Don't hunt if you don't like it.


Seems like you should be all over their "giving" you more rights by allowing you the option of killing a deer with a firearm on Oct 15 instead of making you wait until the Saturday before Thanksgiving to kill a deer with a firearm. There is no difference to the deer - it's dead. Why, as long as you follow the rules pertaining to limits set by the state, does it matter how you kill them or when you kill them? Heck, I think you should be able to kill all 3 bucks in one day and just be done with it and start getting ready for turkey season.


Originally Posted By: outdoorobsession
I dont think they are restricting any rights to hunt during the first 6 weeks of the season. I think that they added six weeks to the season for ONLY the use of archery equipment. I look at the glass half full...not half empty.

We are getting six EXTRA weeks where we can enjoy deer hunting without them being pressured by gun shots. In my humble opinion its like...a bonus plan!


Surely you know it ain't the gun shots pressuring the deer, but rather the folks behind the trigger and what they are doing in the woods that is pressuring the deer.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: 49er] #593301
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Originally Posted By: 49er
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And please address the unregulated hunting that almost whipped out the deer, turkey and elk from this country. You always seem to omit discussing that part when you are lobbying for no restrictions on hunting.


Barry, I've been hunting for more than 50 years. I helped bring deer back in Alabama by supporting legitimate laws that promoted conservation.

I've never been cited for a violation of our hunting and fishing laws. Your being dishonest when you try to paint me as one who thinks there should be no game and fish laws. You know that is not the case, so don't lie about it.

Your argument is without merit.

Bow only season rules are quite different from laws that are necessary for the conservation of the species.


Have you not said that you should be able to hunt when and what you want to hunt. And that they gov shouldn't restrict you from doing so? Not these exact words, but the same meaning.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: ElkHunter] #593319
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I've consistently posted time and time again the lawful reasons for setting seasons and bag limits.

I've never said there was no need for seasons and bag limits that have been set for lawful purposes.


Here's an example of the unlawful purposes hunting seasons are being set for:

March, 2013 CAB Minutes
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21 DR. LEMME: Mr. Moody, is there a biological
22 reason to close turkey season during the
23 fall?
MR. MOODY: No.
2 MR. HATLEY: Negative.
3 CHAIRMAN MOULTRIE: Any other discussion?


Apply Dr. Lemme's question to bow only deer season and the answer is the same.

Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: 49er] #593333
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Originally Posted By: 49er
I've consistently posted time and time again the lawful reasons for setting seasons and bag limits.



Exactly, and you don't think there are any lawful reasons.


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