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False Trophies #502499 01/15/13 09:30 AM 01/15/13 09:30 AM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 286 Gulf Coast G Garbo OP 4 point
Garbo OP 4 point G Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 286 Gulf Coast	I watched the Lance Armstrong news this morning and it really made me think. I have fished competitively on the IFA Redfish Tour. On the IFA Tour there are rules that would look like they would be somewhat easy to break, but before my partner and I ever entered the first tournament we had the discussion that it was not an option to even test any one of the rules, but we would have to stay well within the rules in order to have no question of our own of did we actually win or rank where we should have. My partner and I had no sponsors and we had to compete with better prepared, better funded and sponsored teams. We were very successful and did very well finishing the year with a few wins and 6th. We are just to Average Joes. I have heard of people poaching a big buck and mounting it with pride. I have heard of people running into a big buck with a vehicle and claiming it a trophy. I have even heard of people buying mounted bucks and go as far as stealing them. Why? I personally feel the same way about a buck that I claim as a trophy as I feel about Lance Armstrong's admitting the use of performance enhancing drugs to win. I would not want the trophy if I done what Lance done as it would be a False Trophy as he broke the rules. I look at a buck on my wall the same way...If I didn't take it in sporting fashion and fairly it's just not going to hold a value to me. I don't see how Lance could look at himself as accomplished at all if he actually done what has been reported he admitted to doing, and I would feel the same way if I took a trophy buck in any fashion that was not sporting and fair. Why would anyone want a trophy buck that was falsely acquired?

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502518 01/15/13 09:58 AM 01/15/13 09:58 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 972 Shelby County BibbCounty 6 point
BibbCounty 6 point Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 972 Shelby County	Originally Posted By: Garbo I watched the Lance Armstrong news this morning and it really made me think. I have fished competitively on the IFA Redfish Tour. On the IFA Tour there are rules that would look like they would be somewhat easy to break, but before my partner and I ever entered the first tournament we had the discussion that it was not an option to even test any one of the rules, but we would have to stay well within the rules in order to have no question of our own of did we actually win or rank where we should have. My partner and I had no sponsors and we had to compete with better prepared, better funded and sponsored teams. We were very successful and did very well finishing the year with a few wins and 6th. We are just to Average Joes. I have heard of people poaching a big buck and mounting it with pride. I have heard of people running into a big buck with a vehicle and claiming it a trophy. I have even heard of people buying mounted bucks and go as far as stealing them. Why? I personally feel the same way about a buck that I claim as a trophy as I feel about Lance Armstrong's admitting the use of performance enhancing drugs to win. I would not want the trophy if I done what Lance done as it would be a False Trophy as he broke the rules. I look at a buck on my wall the same way...If I didn't take it in sporting fashion and fairly it's just not going to hold a value to me. I don't see how Lance could look at himself as accomplished at all if he actually done what has been reported he admitted to doing, and I would feel the same way if I took a trophy buck in any fashion that was not sporting and fair. Why would anyone want a trophy buck that was falsely acquired? I could see buying a big mounted buck to hang in a lodge or nice hunting camp or something for decoration, but would never claim I shot it. Of course I have a few myself , so there wouldnt be a need for me to buy one. I also could see somebody mounting a really big deer that was hit by a car or something... but ever making a claim you hunted it and killed it would just be silly.

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502574 01/15/13 10:28 AM 01/15/13 10:28 AM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 9,982 Hampton Cove foldemup 14 point
foldemup 14 point Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 9,982 Hampton Cove	If a big buck totals my truck, his arse is going on the wall and I kilt him dead with a GMC If you want to always win, never play anyone better than you!

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502642 01/15/13 11:39 AM 01/15/13 11:39 AM
Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 25,502 Tampa B Beer Belly Freak of Nature
Beer Belly Freak of Nature B Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 25,502 Tampa	Lance made MILLIONs of dollars cheating. MILLIONs. His Live Strong charity takes in $50 million per year and gives back $10 million. Susan B Komen same Barry Bonds made Millions of $ Mark McGuire Husk Hogan (roids are illegal) Sylvester Stalone Chicks in movies (fake boobs, lip injections) Nascar Business Television Preachers -------> Where do people not cheat? People Suck!!!!! -------------- For what it is worth: I still agree with me! A big man will stand up for himself; a great man will stand up for others. Processor Map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1OTDcvGoo3puyO-CV10he3pH97IE

Re: False Trophies [Re: Beer Belly] #502668 01/15/13 12:03 PM 01/15/13 12:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 43 SW Alabama C CB1 spike
CB1 spike C Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 43 SW Alabama	Same with people shooting a big buck under a night light in the backyard and getting him mounted. A trophy is earned in an ethical manner not by cheating.

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502681 01/15/13 12:27 PM 01/15/13 12:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,749 Baldwin County, AL longspur69 8 point
longspur69 8 point Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,749 Baldwin County, AL	I agree totally. With that said, I have no more interest in Lance's accomplishments than I would if they caught the world's greatest ping pong player juicing, or the fastest cup stacker. He's a freaking bicycle rider.

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502694 01/15/13 12:37 PM 01/15/13 12:37 PM
Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 8,456 Harpersville, AL tfd1224 14 point
tfd1224 14 point Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 8,456 Harpersville, AL	Nope couldn't do it. I have often thought about this. I know I couldn't do it because I was faced with a difficult decision the other day. I had bought everything I needed to make some smoked sausage and I had been trying to kill a doe for 2 weeks just for that purpose and couldn't see a deer. Well I was fixing to head down to the hunting club so like I do periodically through the season I went to a peice of property I hunt beside my house to check my rifle and make sure my scope was still on. Well I drive my truck onto the field where the shooting range is and right under the tripod I hunt, there are 2 does standing there looking at me. I roll my window down and load my rifle and get the big doe in the crosshairs, I just can't do it. I have never killed an illegal deer and I ain't gonna start now. Well I guess someone was watching because I went to the club and saw 18 deer in three hunts and ended up killing two does the right way. I just wouldn't feel right killing a big buck or any deer illegally and I dang sure couldn't brag about it or display it if I did. Yeah c�mon. Daniel White

Re: False Trophies [Re: longspur69] #502727 01/15/13 01:02 PM 01/15/13 01:02 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 286 Gulf Coast G Garbo OP 4 point
Garbo OP 4 point G Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 286 Gulf Coast	Originally Posted By: longspur69 I agree totally. With that said, I have no more interest in Lance's accomplishments than I would if they caught the world's greatest ping pong player juicing, or the fastest cup stacker. He's a freaking bicycle rider. I completely agree with you. What a Looser. For years he allowed people to celebrate himself and his accomplishments all the while knowing he did not deserve either the praise or accomplishments. Someone would have to be really full of themselves or simply a HUGE Lier to do what he done. I look at claiming a trophy buck that was taken in an unsportsmanlike manner, illegally or not even killed by the person claiming it as their trophy as much the same.

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502770 01/15/13 01:53 PM 01/15/13 01:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,391 Kennedy, al G globe Booner
globe Booner G Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,391 Kennedy, al	Sorry to some, but I don't like people shooting deer Out of their back doors on a 2 acre house lot. Always has been a sore subject with me. Just not my idea of hunting at ALL. I know some will disagree. Everything woke turns to shucks

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502795 01/15/13 02:09 PM 01/15/13 02:09 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,957 In a Van, down by the River quailman Booner
quailman Booner Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,957 In a Van, down by the River	I could easily open my back door and kill deer just about every day. Have never done it though. Life is a journey. Make sure and bring plenty of Beer. My luck has been so bad lately, it could be raining pussies and I'd catch one with a dick broke off in it.

Re: False Trophies [Re: tfd1224] #502807 01/15/13 02:15 PM 01/15/13 02:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 7,153 Hoover 40Bucks 14 point
40Bucks 14 point Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 7,153 Hoover	Originally Posted By: tfd1224 ....I drive my truck onto the field where the shooting range is and right under the tripod I hunt, there are 2 does standing there looking at me. I roll my window down and load my rifle and get the big doe in the crosshairs, I just can't do it. I have never killed an illegal deer and I ain't gonna start now.... I have never killed a deer from a vehicle. However, I've also never interpreted the huntaing laws of AL to say that firing your weapon at a deer from inside a vehicle is against the law, that is, unless it is within 50 yards of a public road or railroad. I have had a discussion on this same topic with a friend and we concluded that firing a weapon at a game animal, from parked vehicle on one's own private property would not violate the law. Maybe we're wrong, be we didn't think so when we were talking about it. Is the 'shooting range' you mentioned, your personal property?

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502824 01/15/13 02:29 PM 01/15/13 02:29 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,246 alabama BhamFred Freak of Nature
BhamFred Freak of Nature Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,246 alabama	strict reading of the law says it is illegal to hunt by aid of a motor vehicle. It was enforced that way for dozens of years. About 1986? er so Montgomery decided it was "legal" to shoot from a motor vehicle, a decision made by the Chief of Enforcement, not the legislature or any courts. I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted..... proud Cracker-Americaan muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one

Re: False Trophies [Re: CB1] #502835 01/15/13 02:34 PM 01/15/13 02:34 PM
Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 616 Alabama,USA B bebo33 4 point
bebo33 4 point B Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 616 Alabama,USA	NOW is the time for all GOOD men to come to the aid of their country.

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502843 01/15/13 02:40 PM 01/15/13 02:40 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,881 middle o' nowhere L Luke Stepp 10 point
Luke Stepp 10 point L Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,881 middle o' nowhere	I dropped of my first buck at the taxidermist many years ago. I saw a huge buck he was working on, and commented about the size of it. His response: "Oh, that's ______________'s buck. He ordered them horns in the mail and had me put 'em on a deer he killed." I asked him what kind of deer the guy killed, and he said "Oh, he was a little 3 point or sumthin' like that." Told me all I needed to know about that guy.

Re: False Trophies [Re: 40Bucks] #502870 01/15/13 02:59 PM 01/15/13 02:59 PM
Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 8,456 Harpersville, AL tfd1224 14 point
tfd1224 14 point Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 8,456 Harpersville, AL	Originally Posted By: Pass_the_Buck Originally Posted By: tfd1224 ....I drive my truck onto the field where the shooting range is and right under the tripod I hunt, there are 2 does standing there looking at me. I roll my window down and load my rifle and get the big doe in the crosshairs, I just can't do it. I have never killed an illegal deer and I ain't gonna start now.... I have never killed a deer from a vehicle. However, I've also never interpreted the huntaing laws of AL to say that firing your weapon at a deer from inside a vehicle is against the law, that is, unless it is within 50 yards of a public road or railroad. I have had a discussion on this same topic with a friend and we concluded that firing a weapon at a game animal, from parked vehicle on one's own private property would not violate the law. Maybe we're wrong, be we didn't think so when we were talking about it. Is the 'shooting range' you mentioned, your personal property? no i do not own the property. i worded my post wrong. i had just drove up on these deer. i did not give them the pass because i thought i would get caught. i gave them the pass because to me it was morally wrong to kill a deer in that fashion. now dont get me wrong i may be the first one to hunt from my truck on a gasline on a rainy day but i am not driving around. i am just sitting there with the truck off for hours at a time and i dont view that being any different than sitting in a shooting house. Yeah c�mon. Daniel White

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502875 01/15/13 03:04 PM 01/15/13 03:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,251 N. Alabama Reyn 10 point
Reyn 10 point Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,251 N. Alabama	When it comes to professional sports of all kinds I would say the majority are using PEDs. It is cheating but I wouldn't say they are on a different playing field when others are doing it too. Look at the average weight and size of ball players in all sports compared to 20 years ago. When huge money is involved,justification is an easy thing to find.

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #502883 01/15/13 03:14 PM 01/15/13 03:14 PM
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 4,969 Nashville, TN B BSK 12 point
BSK 12 point B Joined: May 2000 Posts: 4,969 Nashville, TN	Unfortunately, in today's hunting culture of "antler inches are everything," many who seek recognition have plenty of reasons to cheat. Look at all the "name" hunters and TV personalities that have been caught cheating and lying about where and how a big buck was shot. The same goes for anyone who gains notoriety or monetary return by cheating. As for Armstrong, that's so disappointing. He was doing great things for cancer awareness and research.

Re: False Trophies [Re: tfd1224] #503191 01/15/13 07:41 PM 01/15/13 07:41 PM
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MattIce 10 point Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,441	Have you ever tried to be a game warden? Parked in a holler, beneath the mountain moon light.

Re: False Trophies [Re: Beer Belly] #503232 01/15/13 08:03 PM 01/15/13 08:03 PM
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cartervj Old Mossy Horns Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 19,053 colbert county	Originally Posted By: Beer Belly Lance made MILLIONs of dollars cheating. MILLIONs. His Live Strong charity takes in $50 million per year and gives back $10 million. Susan B Komen same Barry Bonds made Millions of $ Mark McGuire Husk Hogan (roids are illegal) Sylvester Stalone Chicks in movies (fake boobs, lip injections) Nascar Business Television Preachers -------> Where do people not cheat? People Suck!!!!! college football players gaining 20 lbs of muscle mass in 2 weeks after loosing 10 lbs “Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #503780 01/16/13 09:37 AM 01/16/13 09:37 AM
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 4,969 Nashville, TN B BSK 12 point
BSK 12 point B Joined: May 2000 Posts: 4,969 Nashville, TN	But considering the topic of this thread, quit worrying about "trophies" so much and life will be better! I've never understood people getting so upset over whether someone "deserves" a trophy or not.

Re: False Trophies [Re: BSK] #503796 01/16/13 09:52 AM 01/16/13 09:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 23,942 Clarksville, TN /Greenville, ... bill Freak of Nature
bill Freak of Nature Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 23,942 Clarksville, TN /Greenville, ...	Originally Posted By: BSK But considering the topic of this thread, quit worrying about "trophies" so much and life will be better! I've never understood people getting so upset over whether someone "deserves" a trophy or not. If someones whole life revolves around receiving recognition from others then it stands to reason they would want to minimize others to elevate your own achievements. "Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard

Re: False Trophies [Re: BSK] #503819 01/16/13 10:04 AM 01/16/13 10:04 AM
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Garbo OP 4 point G Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 286 Gulf Coast	Originally Posted By: BSK But considering the topic of this thread, quit worrying about "trophies" so much and life will be better! I've never understood people getting so upset over whether someone "deserves" a trophy or not. The OP of this thread was to see how others thought about the act of making up a trophy and claiming it. Which happens alot with Whitetail Deer Bucks. I was watching the news and there was a picture of Lance Armstrong laying on his couch and surrounding him on the walls were Framed Yellow Jerseys, one from each Tour De France "Fake Win". I was instantly embarrassed for him. How could someone cheat and then surround themselves with False Trophies to admire in their very own home. It was Extremely Gross to me. Then I thought....Well there are alot of bucks that are mounted in much the same manner. So i posted my thoughts in order to read your thoughts. No Worry here.....Just a lack of Understanding and a will to learn from others in the way they think, in order to test my opinion.

Re: False Trophies [Re: MattIce] #503823 01/16/13 10:05 AM 01/16/13 10:05 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,246 alabama BhamFred Freak of Nature
BhamFred Freak of Nature Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,246 alabama	Originally Posted By: MattIce Have you ever tried to be a game warden? I tried it once... you have to deal with too many assholes...... I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted..... proud Cracker-Americaan muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #503827 01/16/13 10:09 AM 01/16/13 10:09 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,246 alabama BhamFred Freak of Nature
BhamFred Freak of Nature Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,246 alabama	I have one buck mounted in my trophy room that I didn't kill, a beautiful 135" eight point, in velvet. It's also the only one I didn't mount. It was done by Joel Stone in Leeds and it won second place in the World Taxidermy show several years ago. I don't tell folks I killed it..... I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted..... proud Cracker-Americaan muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one

Re: False Trophies [Re: BhamFred] #503828 01/16/13 10:10 AM 01/16/13 10:10 AM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 286 Gulf Coast G Garbo OP 4 point
Garbo OP 4 point G Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 286 Gulf Coast	Originally Posted By: BhamFred Originally Posted By: MattIce Have you ever tried to be a game warden? I tried it once... you have to deal with too many assholes...... I have never been a Game Warden, but I have to think that the "Assholes" would be second to my issue of walking around in the woods in hunting season wearing the color uniform they wear. God Bless all Game Wardens, but I ain't gonna lie....... I couldn't do it. Who picked out their colors?

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #503839 01/16/13 10:16 AM 01/16/13 10:16 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,246 alabama BhamFred Freak of Nature
BhamFred Freak of Nature Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,246 alabama	the colors ain't bad, course I never wore just a shirt(tan) always had a coat over it, usually camo. I carried an orange knit hat in case I though I might need it. I used it some, mostly not. Maybe I had a different outlook on enforcement than a lot of GWs. I felt my job was to get hunters to obey the game laws, and primarily to catch those who violated the laws on purpose ie, poachers, night hunters baiters. You can't catch many baiters or poachers wearing orange. If one checked a 50 gun dove hunt on a non baited field then the only cases to be made were on those who simply forgot to put the plug back in their gun, to to get a new license. Rarely over the limit cases. I'd rather catch six guys on a hot baited field any day..... I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted..... proud Cracker-Americaan muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one

Re: False Trophies [Re: BhamFred] #504256 01/16/13 02:34 PM 01/16/13 02:34 PM
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I_hate_poachers 6 point Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,039 Jackson co	I have not killed a shoulder mount worthy deer yet. But I do have one mounted that I didn't kill. It was poached out of my yard seven years back or so, we caught them particular poachers. 130"(rough score) 9 point. He was a fine buck so that's why he got mounted. Never have I claimed to shoot it tho.

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #504473 01/16/13 04:57 PM 01/16/13 04:57 PM
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BSK 12 point B Joined: May 2000 Posts: 4,969 Nashville, TN	Originally Posted By: Garbo [quote=BSK]I was watching the news and there was a picture of Lance Armstrong laying on his couch and surrounding him on the walls were Framed Yellow Jerseys, one from each Tour De France "Fake Win". I was instantly embarrassed for him. How could someone cheat and then surround themselves with False Trophies to admire in their very own home. It was Extremely Gross to me. I couldn't agree more. I don't know how someone could surround themselves with false trophies and be proud of themself. I do not and never will understand people like Lance Armstrong.

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #504478 01/16/13 04:59 PM 01/16/13 04:59 PM
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BSK 12 point B Joined: May 2000 Posts: 4,969 Nashville, TN	BhamFred, My hat is off to you. Being a Game Warden has got to be one of the most thankless jobs going. And I don't think the pay is that good either!

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #504507 01/16/13 05:19 PM 01/16/13 05:19 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,246 alabama BhamFred Freak of Nature
BhamFred Freak of Nature Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 36,246 alabama	could be worse..being a biologist that all of the deer hunters think they know more than he(all) does, and get the blame for low deer sightings, too many yotes, and SOS bucks... thanks... I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted..... proud Cracker-Americaan muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one

Re: False Trophies [Re: Garbo] #504514 01/16/13 05:22 PM 01/16/13 05:22 PM
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 4,969 Nashville, TN B BSK 12 point
BSK 12 point B Joined: May 2000 Posts: 4,969 Nashville, TN	Don't worry, I've worked hard to garner the hatred I receive! Being an a-hole is hard but rewarding work.

Re: False Trophies [Re: BhamFred] #504531 01/16/13 05:36 PM 01/16/13 05:36 PM
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MattIce 10 point Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,441	I bet Parked in a holler, beneath the mountain moon light.

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