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Are we shooting to many does?
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11/12/12 10:12 AM
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Bamahunter308
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Guys at work think its about time to cut back on doe days. I was listening to them talk about how they dont see the deer they use to. Most of these cats are hunting franklin, colbert and lauderdale. They had several ideals or suggestions on what they think it should be, I had to throw my 2 cents in and said it should be done by region or county not state wide, which it is now I think there are a couple counties that stop on jan 7th but I was wondering what the concensus was across the state.
note: two of the guys complaining shoot 4-6 does a year
Last edited by recon308; 11/12/12 10:14 AM.
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Bamahunter308]
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11/12/12 10:16 AM
11/12/12 10:16 AM
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FurFlyin
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YES, in the 3 counties I have hunted in over the past 3 years. A definite YES. Every county in the state doesn't have black belt deer density, or Jackson county deer density and it's time the hunters recognize that. The state is not going to.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Bamahunter308]
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11/12/12 10:30 AM
11/12/12 10:30 AM
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BhamFred
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on a side note...what ya'll see and whats there ain't always the same thing in regard to deer numbers.
I hunted one of the first DMAP clubs in Al many years ago. It was badly out of whack. Four hunters on four fields could each see 40-50 deer on the same evening.
We started shooting does only, no bucks of any size allowed. 50 does on 1800 acres the first year. Deer sightings went to hell, maybe see 3-4 deer on a greenfield. Landowner got nervous and called a halt o doe shooting a week before season ended, maybe 45 does already killed.
First week of Feb, on a cold still morning, he saw 100+ deer on a drive thru the property. Next year we were at it again....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Bamahunter308]
#447739
11/12/12 10:47 AM
11/12/12 10:47 AM
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I agree with Fred. What's seen and what's there aren't always in lockstep.
If hunters want to see numbers, fine. Seeing 20 or 30 deer a sit can be done. That's fun and good for kids, too. Kind of like having an overpopulated farm pond where they can get a nibble on every toss of a cricket, if you don't mind stunted fish.
If hunters want to "grow big bucks" and "see the rut" then it takes work and dedication in a true year-round management program involving killing does along with habitat management (fire, timbering, grasses to hide fawns, etc.) and predator management (more than shooting whatever coyotes trot out during the season).
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Bucktrot]
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11/12/12 10:52 AM
11/12/12 10:52 AM
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trox28
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I don't understand why deer hunters can't police themselves and do what's right!! Is it that hard to apply some self-discipline and NOT shoot does if you don't need to? Agree 100%...If you need to shoot more shoot em..If you don't,don't.I use to shoot alotta does when I needed to and now I don't.I shoot does during bow season.If I don't get any during bow season I usually don't shoot but one for the freezer.Its not rocket science.Like bucktrot said. its self-discipline.
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: trox28]
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11/12/12 12:06 PM
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I don't understand why deer hunters can't police themselves and do what's right!! Is it that hard to apply some self-discipline and NOT shoot does if you don't need to? Agree 100%...If you need to shoot more shoot em..If you don't,don't.I use to shoot alotta does when I needed to and now I don't.I shoot does during bow season.If I don't get any during bow season I usually don't shoot but one for the freezer.Its not rocket science.Like bucktrot said. its self-discipline.
If you claim to be a Christian then why do you act like the devil? You will be known by the fruit you bear!
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Bucktrot]
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11/12/12 12:15 PM
11/12/12 12:15 PM
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2Dogs
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I don't understand why deer hunters can't police themselves and do what's right!! Is it that hard to apply some self-discipline and NOT shoot does if you don't need to? This^^^^, nobody forcing hunters to shoot them. Sounds like those Goobers need educated that those 3 counties prolly have less deer than any other counties in the state. It's a no brainer.
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Hogwild]
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11/12/12 01:13 PM
11/12/12 01:13 PM
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I find it ironic that many people who WANTED buck limits vs education are now proposing education vs regulation on the dwindling deer numbers in many areas and antlerless harvest. Actually, laughably funny!!! X2 Danny. Amazing ain't it? I thought they said we need the bureaucrats to decide these things for us.
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Bamahunter308]
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11/12/12 02:00 PM
11/12/12 02:00 PM
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Oh we need education. The hunters need educating and the some of the "biologists" need educating. I don't shoot does in my home county. No point in it. The problem is, I am very much in the minority. Most deer hunters now are trained by Big Buck TV and all they preach is to shoot more does.
I definitely agree that shooting does shuts down deer sightings. What it shouldn't have an effect on is trail camera census numbers, especially off season camera census numbers. If I don't see 'em and don't have pictures of 'em, odds are they aren't here.
Also, no doubt 2 of the counties I'm talking about have the lowest population in the state, but the state sees fit to lump these counties in the same pile with the counties that have 50 deer per square mile. One size fits all deer harvest strategies don't work.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Bamahunter308]
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11/12/12 02:36 PM
11/12/12 02:36 PM
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From the minutes of the Conservation Advisory Board, May, 2007 Report of the Deer Study Committee page 60 22 MR. DITCHKOFF: If you want to 23 properly manage deer on a piece of
1 property, what you need to do is take 2 a look at the condition of those deer 3 and you need to take a look at 4 actually what the condition of the 5 habitat is, whether or not it is being 6 overrun. 7 I honestly don't think you can 8 kill too many does on a piece of 9 property.
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: 49er]
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11/12/12 06:43 PM
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From the minutes of the Conservation Advisory Board, May, 2007 Report of the Deer Study Committee page 60 22 MR. DITCHKOFF: If you want to 23 properly manage deer on a piece of
1 property, what you need to do is take 2 a look at the condition of those deer 3 and you need to take a look at 4 actually what the condition of the 5 habitat is, whether or not it is being 6 overrun. 7 I honestly don't think you can 8 kill too many does on a piece of 9 property. That's hilarious. What part of Selma does he hunt in? He probably has more deer in one of his fields than I have on my whole property.
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Bamahunter308]
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11/12/12 06:55 PM
11/12/12 06:55 PM
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Guys at work think its about time to cut back on doe days. I was listening to them talk about how they dont see the deer they use to. Most of these cats are hunting franklin, colbert and lauderdale. They had several ideals or suggestions on what they think it should be, I had to throw my 2 cents in and said it should be done by region or county not state wide, which it is now I think there are a couple counties that stop on jan 7th but I was wondering what the concensus was across the state.
note: two of the guys complaining shoot 4-6 does a year we have plenty in those counties, need to look closer deer ain't moving good since the acorns started raining down, they don't have to
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Bamahunter308]
#448205
11/12/12 07:07 PM
11/12/12 07:07 PM
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BhamFred
Freak of Nature
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heavy acorn crop=low sightings in areas with good acorn trees.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Are we shooting to many does?
[Re: Bamahunter308]
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11/12/12 07:10 PM
11/12/12 07:10 PM
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Posts: 11,348 Prattville AL
ElkHunter
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Okay I am going to say this! Listen good!
YOU CAN'T JUDGE YOUR DEER POPULATION BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE ON GREEN FIELDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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