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Corn planting need Cnc advise #4110064
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Going to plant a small area that farmer had corn last year in corn again this year. The guys next door want to move their dove field closer to the bottoms. We ain’t needing 200 bushels an acre just some for doves and deer. Going to put rest of field in strips of sunflowers grain sorghum and millet. My question is how much corn would he make brings it was corn last year? Would you need to fertilize heavy or would it make enough for doves to just plant it?

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I’m not CNC but I’ll take a stab at it. First corn is a very heavy feeder!! It takes a lot out of the ground. In my opinion, you need to fertilize pretty heavy preplant with a higher nitrogen blend and come back and top dress with nitrogen when corn is about knee high. Unless you have some ridiculously fertile soil. This is the bare minimum I’d do if I was planting corn on corn. I’m sure others that actually farm corn will have better advice for you. I’m just going by what works for me.


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Originally Posted by marshmud991
I’m not CNC but I’ll take a stab at it. First corn is a very heavy feeder!! It takes a lot out of the ground. In my opinion, you need to fertilize pretty heavy preplant with a higher nitrogen blend and come back and top dress with nitrogen when corn is about knee high. Unless you have some ridiculously fertile soil. This is the bare minimum I’d do if I was planting corn on corn. I’m sure others that actually farm corn will have better advice for you. I’m just going by what works for me.

Yes. Corn LOVES nitrogen.


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Originally Posted by AU338MAG
Originally Posted by marshmud991
I’m not CNC but I’ll take a stab at it. First corn is a very heavy feeder!! It takes a lot out of the ground. In my opinion, you need to fertilize pretty heavy preplant with a higher nitrogen blend and come back and top dress with nitrogen when corn is about knee high. Unless you have some ridiculously fertile soil. This is the bare minimum I’d do if I was planting corn on corn. I’m sure others that actually farm corn will have better advice for you. I’m just going by what works for me.

Yes. Corn LOVES nitrogen.


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Re: Corn planting need Cnc advise [Re: kyles] #4110178
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I dont have much experience with corn.....I'd defer to some of these other guys opinions on it


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Originally Posted by marshmud991
I’m not CNC but I’ll take a stab at it. First corn is a very heavy feeder!! It takes a lot out of the ground. In my opinion, you need to fertilize pretty heavy preplant with a higher nitrogen blend and come back and top dress with nitrogen when corn is about knee high. Unless you have some ridiculously fertile soil. This is the bare minimum I’d do if I was planting corn on corn. I’m sure others that actually farm corn will have better advice for you. I’m just going by what works for me.



Your advice is correct!

Re: Corn planting need Cnc advise [Re: kyles] #4110274
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What you need to do is ask the farmer how many bushel he did on that field last year and try to get some intel on it. That matters because if he had a good crop you can go back with just nitrogen and probably make enough to have a good plot or dove field.

If the farmer says he didn't do great that opens up can of worms. That might not just be the soil fertility. At that point I would start asking questions. The first would be how long he has been planting that particular field and what he thinks happened since he hopefully is familiar with the field itself. He may alert you issues in particular wet spots or places in the field itself that didn't do well which can occur for a variety of reasons. Either way this is valuable information to you.

That's where you start. Corn is not hard to grow as a plant itself the difficulty is in the yields. You'll get 1 ear most likely no matter what you do.... and I would increase the seed population a bit myself. It's certainly doable I have done it plenty of times.


You need to be planting right now IMO.




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Originally Posted by Goatkiller


If the farmer says he didn't do great that opens up can of worms.




Farmers never say they did great laugh

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True.... here's how you'll know = Average non-irrigated is around 130 bushel


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If you don't plan on fertilizing heavy, don't do corn. I felt like I fertilized pretty well for a wildlife corn plot, but it was not even nearly enough. It takes hundreds and hundreds of pounds per acre to get near enough. Could easily be 10 bags an acre.

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Chicken manure works great if you can get a load of it, not as pricey as ammonia nitrate,

Re: Corn planting need Cnc advise [Re: kyles] #4110566
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i broad cast 400lb of 13-13-13 per ac . then layed by with 200lb per ac .

i keep my spacing at about 14 to 16 inches plant to plant ( chop it out with a hoe) ,,,,, takes less water . thicker you plant more water you gotta have and corn needs the water .

thats how i do it for me to eat works well for me .

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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
True.... here's how you'll know = Average non-irrigated is around 130 bushel


Guys up here I know are averaging way over 130 without a pivot. I'd guess around 175. I know my field does and my Father's farms.



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Re: Corn planting need Cnc advise [Re: kyles] #4110630
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Average expected was 159 for 2023 but that was higher than previous years it was about 130 in 2022. I don't know what the true average was I would have to look it up. Up there in God's Country I would expect 150+ but South Alabama is like planting in a sandy drought ridden wasteland if you are not irrigated. It's iffy a lot of years and doesn't do well. The only way I personally have overcome it was planting early as possible I planted some corn on the Bullock/Pike County line 2 weeks ago. That's all I can do and pray.

The point in all that was my opinion - if the Farmer did over 130 you can probably go back in Corn and get a decent enough crop for a food plot. That was the complete circle of where I was going with that. You'll need Nitrogen but you can probably get by without worrying too much over the P and K.

The other thing mentioned above about spacing wide is a good idea corn needs water and increasing your spacing will help but if your deer density is high you are lowering your overall plant population. Either way you go where you ultimately will wind up depends on rain as anyone might have guessed. Row spacing and seed population is getting too technical for a food plot discussion.


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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
Average expected was 159 for 2023 but that was higher than previous years it was about 130 in 2022. I don't know what the true average was I would have to look it up. Up there in God's Country I would expect 150+ but South Alabama is like planting in a sandy drought ridden wasteland if you are not irrigated. It's iffy a lot of years and doesn't do well. The only way I personally have overcome it was planting early as possible I planted some corn on the Bullock/Pike County line 2 weeks ago. That's all I can do and pray.

The point in all that was my opinion - if the Farmer did over 130 you can probably go back in Corn and get a decent enough crop for a food plot. That was the complete circle of where I was going with that. You'll need Nitrogen but you can probably get by without worrying too much over the P and K.

The other thing mentioned above about spacing wide is a good idea corn needs water and increasing your spacing will help but if your deer density is high you are lowering your overall plant population. Either way you go where you ultimately will wind up depends on rain as anyone might have guessed. Row spacing and seed population is getting too technical for a food plot discussion.


Kyles, AKA Danny, will be planting in Tenn River bottom land , some of the best producing row crop land in the state. It's 200 bushel to the acre corn land.



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Re: Corn planting need Cnc advise [Re: kyles] #4110742
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I know a little about growing corn. PM me your number and I will give you a call.

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2 tons of chicken litter per acre before planting. 250# of 13-13-13 per acre while planting. RR seed (I recommend not using the NWTF RRseed) planted in 26” rows with 4” spacing between seeds. Spray it 2 to 3 weeks after planting. Enjoy!

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Re: Corn planting need Cnc advise [Re: kyles] #4111105
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Corn Estimate by County for the State of AL per USA released March 2024

Jackson County, AL:

2022
Planted - 23,900 acres
Harvested - 23,000 acres
Yeild Per Acre - 110.7
Bushel - 2,546,000

2023
Planted - 23,900
Harvested - 23.500
Yeild Per Acre - 164.3
Bushel - 3,860,000

110.7 + 164.3 = 275 / 2 = 137.5 bushel last 2 year average

Nobody is making numbers up but if there are any questions I guess get with 2Dogs since he knows a farmer.

2 tons of litter per acre I incorporate with the Chisel right after spreading but I did about 50 acres last year and didn't incorporate as a test and didn't see much difference on the yield monitor. Take that for what it's worth



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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
Corn Estimate by County for the State of AL per USA released March 2024

Jackson County, AL:

2022
Planted - 23,900 acres
Harvested - 23,000 acres
Yeild Per Acre - 110.7
Bushel - 2,546,000

2023
Planted - 23,900
Harvested - 23.500
Yeild Per Acre - 164.3
Bushel - 3,860,000

110.7 + 164.3 = 275 / 2 = 137.5 bushel last 2 year average

Nobody is making numbers up but if there are any questions I guess get with 2Dogs since he knows a farmer.

2 tons of litter per acre I incorporate with the Chisel right after spreading but I did about 50 acres last year and didn't incorporate as a test and didn't see much difference on the yield monitor. Take that for what it's worth





Making sure I understand you correctly, are you saying you noticed no difference in yields on the fields you put the litter on vs the fields you didn't?

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15 LBS OF NITROGEN AND 50 LBS OF PHOSPHATE RECOMMENDED AS A STARTER ON ALL CORN. FERTILIZER APPLIED AS A STARTER,
SHOULD BE DEDUCTED FROM ABOVE. BE SURE THAT SULFUR IS APPLIED IN ORDER THAT NITROGEN-SULFUR RATIO IS MAINTAINED. A
PORTION OF THE NITROGEN AND POTASSIUM SHOULD BE APPLIED THROUGH THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IF AVAILABLE, BEGINNING PRIOR
TO TASSEL. 25% OF POTASSIUM SHOULD BE APPLIED IN SPLIT APPLICATIONS OF NO MORE THAN 20 LBS OF EACH. IF DOLOMITE LIME HAS
BEEN APPLIED RECENTLY - MAGNESIUM RECOMMENDATION CAN BE CUT IN HALF

The note above was added by the lab for the soil test for the spot I normally plant corn.

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