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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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02/28/24 06:09 AM
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I thought they tried this or something similar in Texas and it was pulled from use for some reason. I may be wrong but I know there was something at one time.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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02/28/24 07:09 AM
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Yeah..... LSU has been developing that for years.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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02/28/24 07:22 AM
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They ain’t ever gonna pass nothing like that. Hogs make the state too much money to be eradicating them. Not just our state, all the states that has hogs. Them universities have worked on that kind is stuff for years, but that’s far as it ever goes. Won’t ever make me believe the government is looking after the hunter’s interests.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: 000buck]
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02/28/24 10:42 AM
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They ain’t ever gonna pass nothing like that. Hogs make the state too much money to be eradicating them. Not just our state, all the states that has hogs. Them universities have worked on that kind is stuff for years, but that’s far as it ever goes. Won’t ever make me believe the government is looking after the hunter’s interests. This, plus hogs aren't the demons of the woods they are made out to be. They can be controlled with hunting and trapping. Personally, I'd like to have hogs numbers back up in Bankhead and get back to hunting them. Was a lot of fun at one point.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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02/28/24 10:50 AM
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Hogs are the spawn of the Devil. They destroy my property the roads and my fields.... we can't even plant beans or corn. They go through the woods an literally vacuum up all the Acorns under every tree. The deer lose.
We had hogs for a long time... then we had a "hog problem". There is a big difference I don't think we will ever get rid of them they roam the entire county like a horde of Vikings raping and pillaging.
At some point you can't control them any more by even trapping they just keep coming. You give up and put a low fence around your feeder and that's all you can do.
Who wants that?
No landowner.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: RidgeRanger]
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02/28/24 11:08 AM
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...This, plus hogs aren't the demons of the woods they are made out to be. They can be controlled with hunting and trapping. Personally, I'd like to have hogs numbers back up in Bankhead and get back to hunting them. Was a lot of fun at one point. The hate isn't from a recreational standpoint. It is from an Ag standpoint. I don't care what happens to your woods or food plots, but I do about the destruction of ag land from the bass-turds.
experience is a freakin' awesome teacher....
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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02/28/24 12:12 PM
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You can make this stuff yourself if you want too. Stuff been around a long time. The problem was a delivery system that was safe for other animals
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
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02/28/24 12:21 PM
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Plain and simple, Hogs are nothing more than an invasive species that needs to be eradicated. The only people that seem to want them are those that hunt public land because they have no skin in the game and it gives them something else they can shoot at. They dont have to deal with them on a daily, weekly, monthly and annual basis and incur and pay for the monetary damage that they cause. Dealing with hog problems takes a lot of time, money and physical labor/work. Oh and by the way, the sodium nitrate poison pill developed by LSU and mentioned above will never be approved for use in AL and probably not anywhere else either. This ☝🏻100%! If you own or lease land hogs are the devil and if you don’t have them you will
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: RidgeRanger]
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02/28/24 12:36 PM
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This, plus hogs aren't the demons of the woods they are made out to be. They can be controlled with hunting and trapping.
If you believe that then you dont actually have pigs yet......
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: abolt300]
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02/28/24 01:13 PM
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^^^^^Exactly. Thanks for posting that pic Harold, so that the ones that just think they have hogs, will know what it looks like when they really do have hogs. What's crazy is that the ground looked that way across that whole bottom......The guy said they had counted as many as 200 one night in one of their bigger ag fields....
Last edited by CNC; 02/28/24 01:14 PM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: CNC]
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02/28/24 01:18 PM
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^^^^^Exactly. Thanks for posting that pic Harold, so that the ones that just think they have hogs, will know what it looks like when they really do have hogs. What's crazy is that the ground looked that way across that whole bottom......The guy said they had counted as many as 200 one night in one of their bigger ag fields.... I got two words… tanner rite.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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02/28/24 02:04 PM
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i dont look for it not to pass epa.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: woodduck]
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02/29/24 06:26 AM
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Honest question. Do you all think having a corn pile now around every bend will make the hog problem worse or make no difference? I hunt a place as a guest in Barbour county that’s loaded with hogs and they have never used corn until this year. The 2 times I hunted it this year I saw less hog sign than previous years. But wounded warriors has hunted them hard last few years during the summer and have killed about 600 i think the last 3-4 years. This is about a 1,000 acre tract Sounds like to me the pressure pushed them out.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: Pwyse]
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02/29/24 08:12 PM
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Honest question. Do you all think having a corn pile now around every bend will make the hog problem worse or make no difference? I hunt a place as a guest in Barbour county that’s loaded with hogs and they have never used corn until this year. The 2 times I hunted it this year I saw less hog sign than previous years. But wounded warriors has hunted them hard last few years during the summer and have killed about 600 i think the last 3-4 years. This is about a 1,000 acre tract Sounds like to me the pressure pushed them out. yes my question was as far as statewide do you all think people putting corn out so much as causing the hog numbers to explode statewide? To me it’s a no brainer it makes the hog problem worse. Yes the pressure on this property I think has pushed them off property I usually don’t get down there to hunt until January and it’s been hunted hard for 2 months. Those damn pigs wise up quickly
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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02/29/24 08:19 PM
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It definitely hasn’t helped matters…….I used to hunt down near the sod farms on 82 in Barbour Co in the time range of 6-10 years ago…..We didn’t really have hogs on the place I hunted except for an occasional stray sighting at first….I actually occasionally hunted the same place as a guest for the 7-8 years prior to that and you never saw them back then…..Once all the corn started flowing though BOOM!!....they moved in to the property to live. They’ve pretty much filled in now from Eufaula to Montgomery…..
Last edited by CNC; 02/29/24 08:20 PM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: RandanAL]
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03/01/24 01:54 AM
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I don't see how you put out enough poison to materially impact the hog population without devastating native populations as well. is killing more coyotes , coons , possums , stray dogs , ect a bad thing ? big problem is using it a way deer dont eat it . find some fish guts add sodium nitrite, dig a hole, there you go sodium nitrite,is used to cure meat . buy it right off amazon
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: RandanAL]
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03/01/24 07:38 AM
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I don't see how you put out enough poison to materially impact the hog population without devastating native populations as well. Sodium Nitrite is fatal to hogs in small doses but it does not impact the native species. From the article: The bait offers a more effective control method with the bonus of being humane, Gentry said. Within three hours of consuming the bait, hogs become sleepy and die.
Sodium nitrite is an ideal toxicant, he said, because it is deadly to swine and eventually breaks down into compounds that do not harm other species or pose environmental concerns.
"Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters."
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
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03/01/24 08:17 AM
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I don't see how you put out enough poison to materially impact the hog population without devastating native populations as well. Sodium Nitrite is fatal to hogs in small doses but it does not impact the native species. From the article: The bait offers a more effective control method with the bonus of being humane, Gentry said. Within three hours of consuming the bait, hogs become sleepy and die.
Sodium nitrite is an ideal toxicant, he said, because it is deadly to swine and eventually breaks down into compounds that do not harm other species or pose environmental concerns. key words ,,,, after it breaks down .
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
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03/01/24 04:27 PM
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Sodium Nitrite is fatal to hogs in small doses but it does not impact the native species. Damn I didn't realize it was using sodium nitrite.... that is so deadly people use it to commit suicide. Humans are highly sensitive to it. 2.6 grams can be a lethal dose. I can't possibly imagine we start broadcasting that into the woods. Anything that is going to attract hogs will attract other animals. It's a broad spectrum vertebrate poison... not selective at all. Just looked at the study. Killed birds, coons, and basically anything else that decides to try it.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: RandanAL]
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03/01/24 11:05 PM
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Sodium Nitrite is fatal to hogs in small doses but it does not impact the native species. Damn I didn't realize it was using sodium nitrite.... that is so deadly people use it to commit suicide. Humans are highly sensitive to it. 2.6 grams can be a lethal dose. I can't possibly imagine we start broadcasting that into the woods. Anything that is going to attract hogs will attract other animals. It's a broad spectrum vertebrate poison... not selective at all. Just looked at the study. Killed birds, coons, and basically anything else that decides to try it. You do realize it’s used as a food preservative right? You probably consume it every single day.
"Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters."
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: Broadhead26]
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If hogs are such an issue, why does every farmer/landowner want top $ to hunt them these days? Great question. The answer, of course, is greed. That's the same reason the "professionals" don't really want them hunted, cuts into their need for more grant funding.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
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If hogs are such an issue, why does every farmer/landowner want top $ to hunt them these days? Great question. The answer, of course, is greed. That's the same reason the "professionals" don't really want them hunted, cuts into their need for more grant funding. It’s already been stated numerous times in this thread, hunting hogs will not put a dent in the hog population. Trapping is way more effective. Not to mention, as a landowner the liability is too high to let people roam your property (especially people who want it for nothing). They have nothing to lose, unlike the landowner
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
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What could possibly go wrong ?
You haven't been blocked until you've been flock blocked!!!
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
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So from what I understand, the way they are thinking the poison will have to be used is this:
Put out a corn pile/feeder and put a cell cam on it. Also have a special feeder with the poison in it there with the corn feeder. Once enough hogs show up on camera, use a cell phone to trigger the poison feeder to drop a certain number of poison bait balls. Then only the hogs eat them, and only the hogs die. This is the method to prevent the death of other mammals in the area. The sodium nitrate isn’t transferred to the meat so as long as a hunter didn’t eat the hogs chitlins they would be fine.
I don’t think this method will be popular long term, unless it is made very affordable. Just my opinion. I guess if you don’t have cell service then you just gonna have hogs 😂 Or put a pig brig there and catch them all the same way.
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
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So from what I understand, the way they are thinking the poison will have to be used is this:
Put out a corn pile/feeder and put a cell cam on it. Also have a special feeder with the poison in it there with the corn feeder. Once enough hogs show up on camera, use a cell phone to trigger the poison feeder to drop a certain number of poison bait balls. Then only the hogs eat them, and only the hogs die. This is the method to prevent the death of other mammals in the area. The sodium nitrate isn’t transferred to the meat so as long as a hunter didn’t eat the hogs chitlins they would be fine.
I don’t think this method will be popular long term, unless it is made very affordable. Just my opinion. I guess if you don’t have cell service then you just gonna have hogs 😂 Or put a pig brig there and catch them all the same way. We have found that they get wise to the brig as well. There are some pigs that just refuse to go in. But yes they do work fairly well. Best trap around I think. But you still have to tend the trap and haul off the pigs. At least with this poison you wouldn’t have to do that. Depending on where they die
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: lectrode]
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What could possibly go wrong ? Just trust the science, man... LOL
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Re: Possible Hog answer?
[Re: Pwyse]
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You do realize it’s used as a food preservative right? You probably consume it every single day. In amounts measurable as PPM.... You may also be surprised to find out that flouride and propylene glycol are toxic in large quantities. So from what I understand, the way they are thinking the poison will have to be used is this:
Put out a corn pile/feeder and put a cell cam on it. Also have a special feeder with the poison in it there with the corn feeder. Once enough hogs show up on camera, use a cell phone to trigger the poison feeder to drop a certain number of poison bait balls. Then only the hogs eat them, and only the hogs die. This is the method to prevent the death of other mammals in the area. The sodium nitrate isn’t transferred to the meat so as long as a hunter didn’t eat the hogs chitlins they would be fine.
I don’t think this method will be popular long term, unless it is made very affordable. Just my opinion. I guess if you don’t have cell service then you just gonna have hogs 😂 Well that's not more complicated than a trap. I'd also think hogs could learn to detect it...
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