But what about the point in time when you hadn’t forgiven me yet? What happens to that sin if God doesn’t forgive it? Does the sin go away because you chose to forgive me after you committed the sin of unforgiveness?

Serious question not trying to be a smart butt.

I’d always thought there was just one way not to enter and that was to deny Christ after receiving him.

Now with the recent questions is there only hell or is there stages of he’ll like purgatory

I dont understand it all. One of Jesuss two commandments was "live thy neighbor as yourdself", he didnt say the one you like. He said "love your enemy". We are expected to sacrifice our wants and wishes and submit ourself to a soverign God. Were suposed to be different from the world. Die daily. Present ourself as a living sacrifice. Theres alot more to being a christian than saying a little prayer and believing what Jesus did.

I’ve never heard a more true statement J. Well said.

In Luke 10 Jesus appointed 72 to go out in pairs to witness. He makes the remark that it will be more tolerable for Sodom than for some of the cities that rejected him. I ain’t giving an opinion and my memory ain’t the best in the world but Luke 10 has got answers

On the first part of your question read 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 in this chapter Paul is dealing with ( if I understand it right) a person claiming to be a Christian that is flaunting his sexual sin. And here is where it gets complicated instead of Paul saying judge not that you be not judged he tells them to throw him out of the Church. That seems to teach us not to judge a lost person. But if we don’t try to restore a saved person we are not helping them. Paul says turn him over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the soul will be saved in the last day. To me his sin might take his life but not his salvation. Now I could be wrong and if I am I need to be corrected but read it and see what y’all think

The Gospel is very simple by design. Sin separates us from God. Jesus died on the cross to atone for every sin we've ever committed and ever will commit. Believe and trust in His sacrifice and realize there is NOTHING we can do to save ourselves. Repentance is often translated as being sorry for our sin but the translations I've been taught are that Repentance is simply that you've changed your mind and now agree with God that Christ atonement is the only way. Adding anything more than that just confuses folks about how to become a Christian. God will take anyone just as they are and no one needs to worry about how they will live after they repent. You can argue that the believer will produce fruit and how that might look but that is after salvation has already occurred.

I once dove into these theology discussions regularly but quickly realized no ones mind is changed and it only encourages the non believers to stay where they are to avoid all the confusion and division they see among believers. I think we make it very hard sometimes for those on the fence to see the Truth between all the differences in opinion.


Romans 10:9-13
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Romans 8:38-39

38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Good post.

Love thy neighbor!! He's sure is testing me!

Yes. It's called "Grace."

A friendly reminder to everyone... Jesus only died ONCE for all our sins. He doesn't have to keep dying over and over for all of them.

amen amen amen bill and irish guy. that's what I was saying in the Taylor thread but got labeled as some one who don't know the gospel. spot on guys. it's called the GOOD NEWS for a reason.

Who labeled you with that ? I thought it was a good dialogue. But what I didn't quite understand concerning that thread,and what you are saying here AND there about grace- was that Billy Graham is an apostate, the entire Catholic church is apostate, anyone saying faith and repentance are synonymous with salvation are apostate, etc. etc. But all sins are washed away by the blood of Christ, past present and future by simply believing ( and they are if genuine faith is exercised ). The doctrine you are claiming there and here is far LESS graceful than the doctrine you are actually speaking. And that's one thing I've noticed about hyper-grace centered doctrine in general ( and I'm not saying that's you so please don't take it that way.) is that the doctrine often shows the least amount of grace. I have a tough time with understanding it. Not one person that I read claimed works in that thread, or in this one.

And again, we are probably a lot closer in belief than we can tell on a message board. I'm not flaming you, and I apologize if it seems that I am. I'm just trying to understand.

I love talking about the Lord and his grace. I also apologize for coming down on you hard.The Billy Graham comment kind of got me a little.Some people come down on us for even having these threads. Some read them and make comments that are wanting to understand Christianity. So if one person comes to faith by these threads it means one more brother in Gods kingdom and that is all we should be concerned about. To be honest it convicted me to call an old hunting buddy because i never asked him if he had made things right with the Lord. I dont understand a lot of things but i enjoy talking about them

thank u bpi and Kyle's for those heartfelt words. I do believe you have to repent to be saved maybe I didn't clarify myself. I think the doctrine of salvation or soteriology is some thing we should know so well that when a counterfeit comes along we can spot it a mile away. the problem with graham and the lordship salvation doctrine is they add the phrase "of your sins" and that phrase is nowhere in the Bible. if repentance means you have to stop sinning to be saved then that is a work you did. if repentance according to lordshippers means you stop sinning what sin did God commit when He said in gen 6:7 that it repenteth Him that He made man. I do not call it the catholic church I call it catholicism because it is not church but a continuation of the religion of Cain that revelation calls mystery babylon.they are all works based. Jesus said blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. we come to God broken knowing we have nothing to offer Him.bleseed are they that mourn for they shall be comforted. Paul called that Godly sorrow. blessed are the meek. we humble ourselves before God like the tax collector who beat his chest and said have mercy on me God a sinner. thank You Jesus for doing for me what I could not do for myself

I wish i could stop sinning lol

me too

"Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound, God forbid". Yall live the way you want to because we have grace folks please explain this scripture to me....Romans 6:2

I’m not sure who you are talking about. I don’t think anyone said they believe you can live the way you want to because we have grace. If I gave you that impression I’m sorry. I didn’t get that impression from anyone else either.

that's right pwyse. true believers hate sin. we don't want to we serve God out of humility and gratitude for what He did for us.true believers do not trust in their ability to not sin we Trust in the One who paid for our sin. heb 7:25 wherefore He is able to save them to the uttermost that come to God by Him,seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.

If you are using what you perceive as "Grace" to keep on sinning then you are trying to "game the system" and you are not winning, you are only hurting yourself.

However, if we are truly saved by Grace, we work continually to avoid knowingly sinning, because we love God and want to please him.