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Re: The logic of creation. [Re: Bulls eye] #4068944
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The existence of God and that he has always been hurts my head to think about, but I know that he does and that he has and always will exist. And that brings up another conundrum for a reasonable mind. Time. Apparently it has no starting point or end. Genesis says "In the beginning ", but if God was already there in the beginning, then there must have been a time before the beginning. My head is hurting now just writing this.

Re: The logic of creation. [Re: Bulls eye] #4068947
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We are literally on a round ball floating through something that we don't even know what the hell it is.....anything is possible


Originally Posted by Patricia Heaton
If you’re a common sense person, you probably don’t feel you have a home in this world right now. If you’re a Christian, you know you were never meant to.


Re: The logic of creation. [Re: Bulls eye] #4068953
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It's like trying to comprehend the vastness of the universe. To think there is no beginning or end to the universe, or at least as we know it. And, to add to the OP's point, the universe and everything that makes it up had to have a creator.

Re: The logic of creation. [Re: Bulls eye] #4068954
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Metalmuncher, time was created or started in the garden when adam and eve sinned. It will be over when Jesus comes back and we go with him. There is no time in heaven. God is not bound by time but you and i are. I prayed alot about this when my daddy died. God showed me some things. Time is likely the greatest hindrence to humans. Time certainly has a negative effect on most humans spiritual life. Theres just not enough time to spend time with the Lord, to go see, call or help our neighbors. No time to spend most of the day sunday at church and resting. We dread the death of our loved ones because of the little bit of time before we get to see them again. Time is making us sore, putting wrinkles on us, making us weaker. That time is a dirty dirty son of a gun but time will be gone soon. After that just one long everlasting day of glory.

Re: The logic of creation. [Re: Bulls eye] #4068963
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I think what you really have to come to terms with is that while we are a lot more educated today than we were at the time the Bible was written... no matter how far we have come and how much we have learned we still don't have all the answers.
Regarding not just our solar system but those even beyond our capability of seeing as space is infinite.... something exists where there was nothing. It's pretty wild. But I would really like to get back into how all the ladies early on where apparently smoking hot. And then you go to any ole Trailer Park in Alabama and look around and what happened. Work of the Debbil apparently. Twinkies.


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Re: The logic of creation. [Re: Bulls eye] #4068983
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Something I struggle with is how do we know that the entire bible is the ordained word of God? How do we know for a fact that when this group of stories and letters were all put together, that man didn’t add or take away from what God intended it to be? I mean it happens all the time nowadays. People add or take away from scripture. There are so many arguments about the meaning of different verses I just can’t see how man didn’t screw that up.

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Originally Posted by Pwyse
Something I struggle with is how do we know that the entire bible is the ordained word of God? How do we know for a fact that when this group of stories and letters were all put together, that man didn’t add or take away from what God intended it to be? I mean it happens all the time nowadays. People add or take away from scripture. There are so many arguments about the meaning of different verses I just can’t see how man didn’t screw that up.

In the beginning the Word was with God. I have a hard time believing he would have allowed it to become flawed in revealing it to man.


"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Originally Posted by ridgestalker
Originally Posted by Pwyse
Something I struggle with is how do we know that the entire bible is the ordained word of God? How do we know for a fact that when this group of stories and letters were all put together, that man didn’t add or take away from what God intended it to be? I mean it happens all the time nowadays. People add or take away from scripture. There are so many arguments about the meaning of different verses I just can’t see how man didn’t screw that up.

In the beginning the Word was with God. I have a hard time believing he would have allowed it to become flawed in revealing it to man.

I only read KJV and supplement with Hebrew and Greek text...some versions tell a different story...I do believe the Gospel is pretty much the same in most Bible's


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Originally Posted by ridgestalker
Originally Posted by Pwyse
Something I struggle with is how do we know that the entire bible is the ordained word of God? How do we know for a fact that when this group of stories and letters were all put together, that man didn’t add or take away from what God intended it to be? I mean it happens all the time nowadays. People add or take away from scripture. There are so many arguments about the meaning of different verses I just can’t see how man didn’t screw that up.

In the beginning the Word was with God. I have a hard time believing he would have allowed it to become flawed in revealing it to man.


Has He not allowed it to go awry in the church in Cullman or wherever it was that the other thread was about? They are twisting and adding to the word of God and people are buying it right? And that’s in today’s time centuries after the Bible was established. Imagine before the days that the Bible was put together. You had a ton of letters from different disciples to different churches. Not just the ones that were decided on to go in what is called the Bible today.

I researched it pretty hard for awhile. It made me realize one thing. That if I don’t believe the Bible is the ordained Word of God, then Christianity falls apart. And I can’t live with that. So I choose to believe it. Even though I struggle with its origins all the time.

Research what group of men chose what letters to put in the New Testament and why they chose them. It’s tough to swallow. But I try to swallow it as often as I doubt it.

Research how the Jews passed down the stories from the Old Testament Bible by word of mouth. Apart from a few scrolls that were there. It’s tough.

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Originally Posted by Pwyse
Originally Posted by ridgestalker
Originally Posted by Pwyse
Something I struggle with is how do we know that the entire bible is the ordained word of God? How do we know for a fact that when this group of stories and letters were all put together, that man didn’t add or take away from what God intended it to be? I mean it happens all the time nowadays. People add or take away from scripture. There are so many arguments about the meaning of different verses I just can’t see how man didn’t screw that up.

In the beginning the Word was with God. I have a hard time believing he would have allowed it to become flawed in revealing it to man.


Has He not allowed it to go awry in the church in Cullman or wherever it was that the other thread was about? They are twisting and adding to the word of God and people are buying it right? And that’s in today’s time centuries after the Bible was established. Imagine before the days that the Bible was put together. You had a ton of letters from different disciples to different churches. Not just the ones that were decided on to go in what is called the Bible today.

I researched it pretty hard for awhile. It made me realize one thing. That if I don’t believe the Bible is the ordained Word of God, then Christianity falls apart. And I can’t live with that. So I choose to believe it. Even though I struggle with its origins all the time.

Research what group of men chose what letters to put in the New Testament and why they chose them. It’s tough to swallow. But I try to swallow it as often as I doubt it.

Research how the Jews passed down the stories from the Old Testament Bible by word of mouth. Apart from a few scrolls that were there. It’s tough.

Traditions of men will have lots wondering what happened...Satan knows what's going on and he's slick but defeated


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Re: The logic of creation. [Re: Bulls eye] #4069042
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There will always be mysteries but a relationship with God will clear alot of it up. Looking back at my life and my life currently goes right along with the teachings of the bible. The story of the bible is great but the purpose is to bring a human into a relationship with God. There are promises in there, you do this and ill do this. Try it out and see if it dont work. There is way more to it than believing. I was saved as a kid, i believed every bit of it. I did not submit my life to God. I kept right on doing whatever i wanted to do. That lead to my destruction. The very moment i submitted to God, my life changed. I gave up control of my own life. God took control and it has gotten better ever since then. Do i make mistakes, sure. Do i have bad days, sure. My mistakes do not define me and my bad days do not control me. Live or die, im a winner either way. Ill leave here tomorrow and go soend eternity with my Lord or ill stay here till im 100yo and work for him, either way everything will be just fine. My only regret is the years i spent doing things my way, but then again that brought me to right here with my family living the life i now have, so i couldnt change one thing.

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I don’t have all the answers and don’t understand all the how and why. I just trust that the Bible is true and that God will let us know when we get to heaven, if He wants to.


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Re: The logic of creation. [Re: Bulls eye] #4069056
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Logic and science are just man created religions. People have more faith in science than they do God. It’s ashame

Re: The logic of creation. [Re: ford150man] #4069069
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I don’t have all the answers and don’t understand all the how and why. I just trust that the Bible is true and that God will let us know when we get to heaven, if He wants to.

Smen

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God created man in his image, NOT with his knowledge and mental being.

We were created by God and he gave us everything that we need.

We’re not to expect to understand it all but we are expecting to believe and to have faith.

I believe that God gave us the information that we need and regardless of what we desire to know, that is of no importance in the grand scheme of things, once again, God gave us what we NEED.

From the time that Adam and Eve were created until now, put that on a timeline, man walked and travelled by beast of burden. The first automobile rolled off of the assembled line in 1913, just 111 years ago.

It was 1925 when 1/2 of the homes in the U.S. had electricity.

Now, only 99 years later we have cell phones, everyone has a computer, microwave ovens, jets, earth-moving equipment, etc. Since the beginning of time, all of the great advancements have taken place at the very end of the timeline. How can mankind control to make such advancements in the next 100 years?


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To help everyone understand who the first man was, who was that man created in Gods image? And whos image was adams son made in? Thats in the 2nd chapter of genesis. Also, God used adams rib to make eve, right? Why was that necessary if there were already other women on earth? Whos rib were they made from? As far as old earth goes, the bible says each of the first six days were one morning and one night, right? Where does that gap theory put those billion years un accounted for? Each day was one morning and night. The dinosaurs couldnt have possibly been here when humans were on earth, why? Who decided that? Not that i know how it all worked but if there was two people on earth, and they were in the middle east, couldnt there be dinosaurs everywhere else? That would be possible but the guys who say how old rocks are, say the dinosaurs were here before humans. Like i said, i dont know for sure how it all worked but i know it is possible that it all happened jus like the bible says it worked.

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1] Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [2] For by it the elders obtained a good report. [3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


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ok here goes.... God/Jesus parted seas, burnt bushes, raised the dead and floated axe heads plus other miracles. Why did this just stop? Why not an ocean parting so refugees can escape a goverment overthrow in some of these third world countries? Serious question. Is there a biblical explanation for no more obvious miracles. It's hard for me to call surviving a horrible car wreck a modern miracle when the guy in the other car got dead or 100 miles away a van load of kids burns up. That just seems like chance. Again, I'm serious. Not trying to start a holy war.


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