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by AustinC. 04/26/24 07:31 PM
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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Did you trim the brass after you resized it?
Last edited by Snuffy; 01/13/24 10:20 PM.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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3% offered good advice.
Get yourself a Hornady Headspace gauge. Very easy to use and helpful tool.
Don't mix your brass.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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01/14/24 10:44 AM
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What lube are you using inside the case necks? I n the past, with a rough expander ball in the sizing die or not enough lube in the neck, I have pulled the shoulder angle forward when withdrawing the case from the die. A good idea is to use a brass brush (dedicated just for this purpose) to clean residue from the neck.
Remember: It aint what you shoot...it's how you shoot it.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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01/14/24 06:31 PM
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Hmm only 30 thousandths back from lands? I'd bet a little more jump will fix the issue.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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01/14/24 07:55 PM
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Hmm only 30 thousandths back from lands? I'd bet a little more jump will fix the issue. 30 thousands is plenty of jump. Brass from different lots/manufacturers can cause variations in headspace when resizing.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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01/15/24 08:56 AM
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A “tad” isn’t a measurement. How much did you bump the shoulders back on each piece of brass?
Also if your lube was inconsistent from piece to piece, your shoulder bump may be also.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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Sounds like some shoulders were bumped a “tad” while others were not.
Definitely need a comparator to measure shoulder bump.
In consistent lubing equals inconsistent shoulder bump. Shoulder bump will also vary between different brass manufacturers or lots, with no adjustments made to the sizing die.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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01/15/24 07:35 PM
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Check case size where it hangs out of the gauge then measure one that fits
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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01/15/24 08:41 PM
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Sounds like some shoulders were bumped a “tad” while others were not.
Definitely need a comparator to measure shoulder bump.
In consistent lubing equals inconsistent shoulder bump. Shoulder bump will also vary between different brass manufacturers or lots, with no adjustments made to the sizing die. Good point and you could be correct. I do have a comparator that I used to measure the length to the shoulder before and after resizing. I didn’t find that the measurement increased so I did not set the die to bump the shoulder, at least according to my notes. I did take measurements of a few and average them so there could certainly be outliers. The good news is that I have a ton of brass that I have FL sized and the rest fits in my case gauge after resizing now. Just want to figure out what happened with these particular loads.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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Check case size where it hangs out of the gauge then measure one that fits Good idea. I’ll check
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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01/15/24 08:55 PM
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That gauge you are using is only useful for semiautomatic pistols and semiautomatic rifles when you are wanting ammo to fit several different firearms .and if ammo isn't sliding into gauge you didn't size enough.its that simple When you mix brass it takes different amounts of sizing to fit it back to your chamber.
So basically with what you are doing with the mixed up brass just completely size down to shell holder to use up that brass or you at least need to size a good 4-5 and check in your chamber for tight bolt.just for blasting ammo or just good enough hunting ammo they will work fine
But in future get the hornady headspace comparator to bump shoulders and keep up with your number of firings and start with new brass if precision is what your looking for.if your just looking to use up once fired mix match brass fired from a different rifle just size to shell holder and be done .no since in fighting it .you can't size mix match brass the same without oversizing all of em
Last edited by 3% outdoorsman; 01/15/24 08:57 PM.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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01/15/24 10:06 PM
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Honestly bud read several reloading manuals and load ammo by the book.then start watching panhandle precision or other vids You got to know basic fundamentals and safety to start.if you had read reloading manuals and set up your dies per instructions you would not be here asking questions. You mentioned panhandle precision.great vids but that's advanced you need to know basic knowledge of hand loading.the same understanding we all know and will give you confidence and basic knowledge But read 2-3 reloading manuals.read front to back for safety and basic knowledge we all know Your question you just asked would not be have been a problem if a you had done so.now this is where you start learning advanced hand rolling .interwebs .lol
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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01/15/24 10:13 PM
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Not saying this is the problem or to be mean spirited but did you lube a little bit heavy? Yes I've done it myself more than I should but lube can dent a case in a heartbeat.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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Not saying this is the problem or to be mean spirited but did you lube a little bit heavy? Yes I've done it myself more than I should but lube can dent a case in a heartbeat. He is trying to size cases with a case gauge.i highly doubt case lube is his problem at this point.not that precise yet Op not being a dick at all I promise.i guess Dave 260 thinks I am whatever.just steering you in right direction
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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Honestly bud read several reloading manuals and load ammo by the book.then start watching panhandle precision or other vids You got to know basic fundamentals and safety to start.if you had read reloading manuals and set up your dies per instructions you would not be here asking questions. You mentioned panhandle precision.great vids but that's advanced you need to know basic knowledge of hand loading.the same understanding we all know and will give you confidence and basic knowledge But read 2-3 reloading manuals.read front to back for safety and basic knowledge we all know Your question you just asked would not be have been a problem if a you had done so.now this is where you start learning advanced hand rolling .interwebs .lol I agree with what you’re saying. I’ve read a bunch in my manuals and as far as I know I followed all directions on my manuals and die set in order and to the letter. I’m one of those paralysis by analysis types. That’s also why I haven’t fired those rounds and am trying to figure out what didn’t go right. I appreciate what you’re saying and the advice. I’m not trying to be a know it all smarty pants.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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Not saying this is the problem or to be mean spirited but did you lube a little bit heavy? Yes I've done it myself more than I should but lube can dent a case in a heartbeat. I did my best not to lube heavy. The container says “a little goes a long way.” I didn’t dent any cases but the container on this Hornady Unique says it won’t dent cases FWIW.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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If the bolt will close it's safe to shoot. A snug fit won't hurt anything.
Always a good idea after setting up your sizing die to chamber a sized case and see how it fits.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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Honestly bud read several reloading manuals and load ammo by the book.then start watching panhandle precision or other vids You got to know basic fundamentals and safety to start.if you had read reloading manuals and set up your dies per instructions you would not be here asking questions. You mentioned panhandle precision.great vids but that's advanced you need to know basic knowledge of hand loading.the same understanding we all know and will give you confidence and basic knowledge But read 2-3 reloading manuals.read front to back for safety and basic knowledge we all know Your question you just asked would not be have been a problem if a you had done so.now this is where you start learning advanced hand rolling .interwebs .lol I agree with what you’re saying. I’ve read a bunch in my manuals and as far as I know I followed all directions on my manuals and die set in order and to the letter. I’m one of those paralysis by analysis types. That’s also why I haven’t fired those rounds and am trying to figure out what didn’t go right. I appreciate what you’re saying and the advice. I’m not trying to be a know it all smarty pants. Yeah I say send em and learn.you sound like a smart person Reminds me of similar talks with my son.let em rip gotta start somewhere.lol Hey message me if you are not sure about something I'll talk your ears off about handloads.lol seriously no problem
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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Do the sharpie trick on the whole thing open and close your bolt a few times then post a Pic of it
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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Cleaning the inside of the dies could be another issue
When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself The older I get the better I used to be
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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01/19/24 11:34 AM
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Make sure your press is setup to cam over when you are using it that could be the easy answer. I'm guessing it isn't based on the fact pattern here but I'm not there using it so I don't know. Forest/Trees. Welcome to Aldeer. We'll decide your chamber is messed up here next and you need a gunsmith. Doh!
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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Make sure your press is setup to cam over when you are using it that could be the easy answer. I'm guessing it isn't based on the fact pattern here but I'm not there using it so I don't know. Forest/Trees. Welcome to Aldeer. We'll decide your chamber is messed up here next and you need a gunsmith. Doh! Haha yeah. Nothing wrong with the chamber, as my recent buck can attest 😂
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Re: Sizing Issue Question
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I have a similar problem with my 270, I have to separate my cases. I use a RCBS case mic. on every case. Any case above +1 will not chamber in my Ruger, but will chamber in my sons Tikka No problem.
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