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Re: Old field question
[Re: T-hatchie]
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11/07/23 01:49 PM
11/07/23 01:49 PM
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k bush
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How many acres ? You may see a slightly different plant response. Do 5 equal blocks: lime w/disking, lime with fire, fire only, disk only and one with no treatment. Then apply that treatment that gives a response that meets your objectives to the rest of the area on staggered intervals.
"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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Re: Old field question
[Re: k bush]
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11/07/23 04:40 PM
11/07/23 04:40 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,760 Awbarn, AL
CNC
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Dances With Weeds
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Awbarn, AL
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You may see a slightly different plant response. Do 5 equal blocks: lime w/disking, lime with fire, fire only, disk only and one with no treatment. Then apply that treatment that gives a response that meets your objectives to the rest of the area on staggered intervals.
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Re: Old field question
[Re: T-hatchie]
#4012266
11/07/23 04:52 PM
11/07/23 04:52 PM
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Posts: 9,166 B'ham
Goatkiller
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14 point
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B'ham
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I think step #1 is getting an idea of what you want to plant.
All plants have different nutrient requirements.
I'm trying to teach CNC this...
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Re: Old field question
[Re: T-hatchie]
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11/07/23 06:52 PM
11/07/23 06:52 PM
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Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 8,753 bessemer, al
hunterturf
14 point
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14 point
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bought 30 acres in 2019, 25 or so in hay production. i disced the entire field in mid april, sprayed clethodim in mid may. rinse and repeat in 2021. very little grasses and is in various heights of natural regen. we disc sections of it each year. there are deer beds everywhere in it. the oldest parts are 4-6’ tall. we can make them walk basically where we want them to with bush hogged trails to funnel them to certain points. it’s fun to experiment and make them travel (within reason) where we want or don’t want them. don’t forget to dig some watering holes in areas u plan to hunt at early season on the appropriate side of the fields for the different winds
Give me bout 15 more minutes, I was dreamin about beavers.......... Si Robertson
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Re: Old field question
[Re: hunterturf]
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11/07/23 07:19 PM
11/07/23 07:19 PM
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Posts: 60 Central AL
T-hatchie
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bought 30 acres in 2019, 25 or so in hay production. i disced the entire field in mid april, sprayed clethodim in mid may. rinse and repeat in 2021. very little grasses and is in various heights of natural regen. we disc sections of it each year. there are deer beds everywhere in it. the oldest parts are 4-6’ tall. we can make them walk basically where we want them to with bush hogged trails to funnel them to certain points. it’s fun to experiment and make them travel (within reason) where we want or don’t want them. don’t forget to dig some watering holes in areas u plan to hunt at early season on the appropriate side of the fields for the different winds Fortunate in that regard… the north length of the field is a creek. Ditto on the cleth. Did you soil test and lime any/all of the field first year?
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Re: Old field question
[Re: T-hatchie]
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11/07/23 07:38 PM
11/07/23 07:38 PM
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hunterturf
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the biggest one closest to where they were entering our property that first year yes, we have slowly gotten them all up to par over the last 3-4 years. would love to burn sections but we are too close to a interstate and houses.
Give me bout 15 more minutes, I was dreamin about beavers.......... Si Robertson
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Re: Old field question
[Re: Goatkiller]
#4012477
11/08/23 06:11 AM
11/08/23 06:11 AM
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Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,745 Lower AL
k bush
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12 point
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Lower AL
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I think step #1 is getting an idea of what you want to plant.
All plants have different nutrient requirements.
I'm trying to teach CNC this...
If he’s lucky, he will not have to plant anything in the early successional blocks. Seeds are there just waiting on fire or disking to kick things off.
"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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Re: Old field question
[Re: k bush]
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11/09/23 05:49 PM
11/09/23 05:49 PM
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Posts: 8,082 Right behind you
Mbrock
Fancy
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Fancy
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Right behind you
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I think step #1 is getting an idea of what you want to plant.
All plants have different nutrient requirements.
I'm trying to teach CNC this...
If he’s lucky, he will not have to plant anything in the early successional blocks. Seeds are there just waiting on fire or disking to kick things off. I never recommend planting native seeds until fire/discing has taken place after herbicide removal of cultivated pasture grasses. The seed is there. If the response don’t happen, then seeding is the next step. But, it happens 99% of the time.
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Re: Old field question
[Re: Mbrock]
#4016795
11/14/23 09:13 PM
11/14/23 09:13 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,188 South Alabama
gobbler
12 point
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12 point
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I think step #1 is getting an idea of what you want to plant.
All plants have different nutrient requirements.
I'm trying to teach CNC this...
If he’s lucky, he will not have to plant anything in the early successional blocks. Seeds are there just waiting on fire or disking to kick things off. I never recommend planting native seeds until fire/discing has taken place after herbicide removal of cultivated pasture grasses. The seed is there. If the response don’t happen, then seeding is the next step. But, it happens 99% of the time. Im with Matt. If you want true "oldfield" habitat, its there waiting usually. Pasture can be worse than ag fields but most of the time the native grasses, forbs and weeds will respond to the removal of pasture grass. Also nice is that most of these natives are well adapted to the soil conditions, fertility and Ph that is already there. Just releasing them by getting rid of fescue, bermuda and bahaia and a little fire, they can come on strong without much other management. Some disking can help to encourage forbs and legumes, leave the native grasses for nesting/fawning and bedding cover and it's ideal. Save the lime and fertilizer, disking and planting for food plots. Also note that Clethodim can be rough on native grasses if that is what you are trying to promote (oldfield habitat). Depending on the pasture grass, there are better, more effective and less damaging options.
Last edited by gobbler; 11/14/23 09:23 PM.
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Re: Old field question
[Re: gobbler]
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01/04/24 12:48 AM
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Posts: 172 Alabama
RandanAL
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Alabama
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I think step #1 is getting an idea of what you want to plant.
All plants have different nutrient requirements.
I'm trying to teach CNC this...
If he’s lucky, he will not have to plant anything in the early successional blocks. Seeds are there just waiting on fire or disking to kick things off. I never recommend planting native seeds until fire/discing has taken place after herbicide removal of cultivated pasture grasses. The seed is there. If the response don’t happen, then seeding is the next step. But, it happens 99% of the time. Im with Matt. If you want true "oldfield" habitat, its there waiting usually. Pasture can be worse than ag fields but most of the time the native grasses, forbs and weeds will respond to the removal of pasture grass. Also nice is that most of these natives are well adapted to the soil conditions, fertility and Ph that is already there. Just releasing them by getting rid of fescue, bermuda and bahaia and a little fire, they can come on strong without much other management. Some disking can help to encourage forbs and legumes, leave the native grasses for nesting/fawning and bedding cover and it's ideal. Save the lime and fertilizer, disking and planting for food plots. Also note that Clethodim can be rough on native grasses if that is what you are trying to promote (oldfield habitat). Depending on the pasture grass, there are better, more effective and less damaging options. Craig Harper recommends an approach similar to this, but I haven't seen many others who do it. I'd think this approach is better than a classic grass greenfield. What's the consensus around here on something like that?
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