</a JR Holmes Oil Company </a Shark Guard Southeast Woods and Whitetail Mayer Insurance Services LLC
Aldeer Classifieds
Cva wolf 50. Cal
by Bows4evr. 04/26/24 11:49 PM
WTB - Browning Maxus
by Okatuppa. 04/26/24 11:25 PM
2010 F-150 XLT 4x4- gauging interest
by ford150man. 04/26/24 09:39 PM
<*> 1911 Spring Cleaning <*>
by BCLC. 04/26/24 07:41 PM
Trade
by AustinC. 04/26/24 07:31 PM
Serious Deer Talk
Kansas draw
by cgardner. 04/26/24 07:15 PM
Southern Illinois Hunting
by Squeaky. 04/26/24 12:07 PM
Hunting Lease Insurance
by mw2015. 04/24/24 02:42 PM
Future of Camo
by globe. 04/23/24 04:20 PM
Neat IL buck Story
by pickenstj. 04/23/24 01:32 PM
April
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30
Land, Leases, Hunting Clubs
Hunting Lease Insurance
by mw2015. 04/23/24 07:49 PM
Help against Timber Company
by winlamberth. 04/17/24 11:31 PM
South Side Hunting Club (Baldwin County)
by Stickslinger91. 04/15/24 10:38 AM
Lease Prices in Lamar Co.
by Luxfisher. 04/12/24 05:38 PM
Kansas Muzzleloader/Bow
by Letshunt. 04/11/24 03:15 PM
Who's Online Now
12 registered members (bamaeyedoc, Luxfisher, russellb, Geezer, Turberville, Gut Pile 32, Camden86, AU coonhunter, Crawfish, Lonster, 2 invisible), 1,166 guests, and 0 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
Craig Harper Approach #4053214
01/04/24 01:01 AM
01/04/24 01:01 AM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
Alabama
R
RandanAL Offline OP
3 point
RandanAL  Offline OP
3 point
R
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
Alabama
I've recently been listening to some stuff from Craig Harper and his approach is pretty interesting. This is obviously a huge oversimplification but I'm intrigued.

"Greenfields" - He basically recommends an "old field" approach where you maybe cut it 1x per year or even less, and spot kill unwanted species with herbicide. Target 4-5ft tall cover with a lot of forbs. Potentially mow a strip out in the middle of it that you can only see from ground level via an elevated stand. Put a corn feeder out in the middle of it if you want to see a bunch of deer. Big focus on creating some structure to the field in order to create some level of cover along with additional food.

"Forest Management" - Leave mostly mast producing trees (Oak, Beech, Pecan, maybe Hickory, Fruit Trees) and then kill, hinge, or stump everything else.

Does anyone use an approach like this? Seems relatively lower maintenance.

Anecdotally - we had some greenfields at our old lease that were (mostly) plain grass with some clover and other things we'd planted over the years mixed in, though it was low effort planting and none of it really took off. Deer would stop by there but it wasn't really a "destination" location. My dad liked "playing farmer" and would brush hog the fields about once a month. The last year we had the lease, he got a bit sick, and it was barely brush hogged. We saw more deer in it that year than in other years where it was consistently cut.

Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053223
01/04/24 02:46 AM
01/04/24 02:46 AM
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 5,182
F L A
T
Tree Dweller Offline
12 point
Tree Dweller  Offline
12 point
T
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 5,182
F L A
Deer love to pick and choose if you ever get to watch them in the daylight when they are relaxed. Little of this, little of that. They got all the time in the world.

Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053228
01/04/24 04:48 AM
01/04/24 04:48 AM
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,744
Lower AL
K
k bush Offline
12 point
k bush  Offline
12 point
K
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,744
Lower AL
Dr Harper calls it recreational mowing. Likely the worst “habitat” treatment you can apply. Park the bush hog.


"Cull" is just another four letter word...
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053301
01/04/24 09:45 AM
01/04/24 09:45 AM
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 8,026
Alabama
Shaneomac2 Offline
14 point
Shaneomac2  Offline
14 point
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 8,026
Alabama
ANYONE have some of his books?


Georgia Football..Acts like Bama but has a trophy case like South Carolina.
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053351
01/04/24 11:32 AM
01/04/24 11:32 AM
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,744
Lower AL
K
k bush Offline
12 point
k bush  Offline
12 point
K
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,744
Lower AL
I have his Food Plot and Early Successional habitat book, which is out of print. Supposed to be an updated version released this year and it's worth every penny, just for the tables in the appendices if nothing else. I also have some of his publications in printed pdf's on old field management, NWSG etc.


"Cull" is just another four letter word...
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053355
01/04/24 11:40 AM
01/04/24 11:40 AM
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,760
Awbarn, AL
CNC Offline
Dances With Weeds
CNC  Offline
Dances With Weeds
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,760
Awbarn, AL
There's nothing wrong with a disk or a bushhog.....Its the knowledge of knowing how and when to use them. I've grown great greenfields for years with nothing but a spreader and mower


We dont rent pigs
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053357
01/04/24 11:44 AM
01/04/24 11:44 AM
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 13,054
Montgomery, Alabama
jaredhunts Offline
Puts sugar in his cornbread!
jaredhunts  Offline
Puts sugar in his cornbread!
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 13,054
Montgomery, Alabama
Meh, sounds like he has no idea as how to bring deer in.


It be's that way sometimes.

www.sunpoolcompany.com
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: k bush] #4053372
01/04/24 12:09 PM
01/04/24 12:09 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
Alabama
R
RandanAL Offline OP
3 point
RandanAL  Offline OP
3 point
R
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
Alabama
Originally Posted by k bush
Dr Harper calls it recreational mowing. Likely the worst “habitat” treatment you can apply. Park the bush hog.
This cracked me up. I told my dad the term - he laughed and said "yep mowing fields is a lot of fun".

Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: k bush] #4053378
01/04/24 12:15 PM
01/04/24 12:15 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
Alabama
R
RandanAL Offline OP
3 point
RandanAL  Offline OP
3 point
R
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
Alabama
Originally Posted by k bush
I have his Food Plot and Early Successional habitat book, which is out of print. Supposed to be an updated version released this year and it's worth every penny, just for the tables in the appendices if nothing else. I also have some of his publications in printed pdf's on old field management, NWSG etc.
Yea I'm going to order the revised... it's ~$100 but seems like a great resource. Evidently the thing is 500 pages...

My dad is getting into his 80s, and I don't live anywhere near our hunting land, so he handles more of the maintenance. It seems like reshaping the forest a bit, mowing fields 1x per year, spot treating undesirable plants (I can handle), and hiring someone to do a burn periodically is a lower maintenance approach than mowing greenfields and planting.

Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053411
01/04/24 01:10 PM
01/04/24 01:10 PM
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 8,026
Alabama
Shaneomac2 Offline
14 point
Shaneomac2  Offline
14 point
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 8,026
Alabama
what i belive hes talking baout is what i would love to do on our club. Safe haven and food for the deer so hopefully i can increase the number of deer i see and harvest..


Georgia Football..Acts like Bama but has a trophy case like South Carolina.
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053431
01/04/24 01:49 PM
01/04/24 01:49 PM
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 4,851
AL
Gobble4me757 Offline
12 point
Gobble4me757  Offline
12 point
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 4,851
AL
What’s the difference between mowing a field vs bushog? I have been told multiple occasions lately to not bushhog but people talk about mowing etc? I figured they were one and the same?


2017 Team Aldeer Turkey Contest Champion
2018 Team Aldeer Turkey Contest Champion
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053436
01/04/24 01:56 PM
01/04/24 01:56 PM
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 8,026
Alabama
Shaneomac2 Offline
14 point
Shaneomac2  Offline
14 point
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 8,026
Alabama
im guessing the level of which you cut the fields? mowing you dont cut it all the way down versus what you would with a bush hog...


Georgia Football..Acts like Bama but has a trophy case like South Carolina.
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: Gobble4me757] #4053458
01/04/24 02:34 PM
01/04/24 02:34 PM
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,744
Lower AL
K
k bush Offline
12 point
k bush  Offline
12 point
K
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,744
Lower AL
Originally Posted by Gobble4me757
What’s the difference between mowing a field vs bushog? I have been told multiple occasions lately to not bushhog but people talk about mowing etc? I figured they were one and the same?


Same.


"Cull" is just another four letter word...
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053460
01/04/24 02:36 PM
01/04/24 02:36 PM
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,744
Lower AL
K
k bush Offline
12 point
k bush  Offline
12 point
K
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,744
Lower AL
Originally Posted by RandanAL
Originally Posted by k bush
Dr Harper calls it recreational mowing. Likely the worst “habitat” treatment you can apply. Park the bush hog.
This cracked me up. I told my dad the term - he laughed and said "yep mowing fields is a lot of fun".


Buy him a hatchet and a spray bottle for herbicide. Remove the driveshaft from the bush hog and take it with you.


"Cull" is just another four letter word...
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: Gobble4me757] #4053521
01/04/24 04:09 PM
01/04/24 04:09 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
Alabama
R
RandanAL Offline OP
3 point
RandanAL  Offline OP
3 point
R
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
Alabama
Originally Posted by Gobble4me757
What’s the difference between mowing a field vs bushog? I have been told multiple occasions lately to not bushhog but people talk about mowing etc? I figured they were one and the same?
I'd say they're very similar in this case.

Bush hogging is cutting anything from larger brush to basically mowing grass, but you're using a tractor
Mowing is generally just grass, but you could be using either a mower or a bush hog

At least that's the context I've always understood it.

Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: Shaneomac2] #4053522
01/04/24 04:11 PM
01/04/24 04:11 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
Alabama
R
RandanAL Offline OP
3 point
RandanAL  Offline OP
3 point
R
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
Alabama
Originally Posted by Shaneomac2
what i belive hes talking baout is what i would love to do on our club. Safe haven and food for the deer so hopefully i can increase the number of deer i see and harvest..
Yep - it seems interesting. Basically creating a something like a food rich bedding area that you can hunt from an elevated position. Theoretically deer should feel safer moving in it though I'm sure you still need to hunt the wind etc.

Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053529
01/04/24 04:17 PM
01/04/24 04:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 8,026
Alabama
Shaneomac2 Offline
14 point
Shaneomac2  Offline
14 point
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 8,026
Alabama
Originally Posted by RandanAL
Originally Posted by Shaneomac2
what i belive hes talking baout is what i would love to do on our club. Safe haven and food for the deer so hopefully i can increase the number of deer i see and harvest..
Yep - it seems interesting. Basically creating a something like a food rich bedding area that you can hunt from an elevated position. Theoretically deer should feel safer moving in it though I'm sure you still need to hunt the wind etc.



bingo!


Georgia Football..Acts like Bama but has a trophy case like South Carolina.
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053553
01/04/24 04:51 PM
01/04/24 04:51 PM
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 8,429
Chelsea
L
Lockjaw Offline
14 point
Lockjaw  Offline
14 point
L
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 8,429
Chelsea
If you are going to do that, why even bother having a green field at all, just let the whole place grow up.

I would rather have a green field that I knew the soil PH was good, and that I could plant specific species of forage in it. There is a reason deer mow down soybeans. And why they grow big giant bucks in the heart of american farmland.

Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053604
01/04/24 05:57 PM
01/04/24 05:57 PM
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 9,382
Northwest Bama
R
Ridge Life Offline
14 point
Ridge Life  Offline
14 point
R
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 9,382
Northwest Bama
I have a field that may be 2 acres at most.. I do plant it and it stays eat down. But it is in the center (dead in the middle) of about 80 acres. Surrounding the field is volunteer pine/gums/brush/briar thickets, I’d say 40 acres. Outside of the thickets are old growth hardwood, oaks and such, about 40 acres. I can see as many as 20 deer on camera there at times… get pics all throughout the day…if I ever feed anything they will be there before the wheeler gets good and gone of the field..

Last edited by Ridge Life; 01/04/24 05:57 PM.
Re: Craig Harper Approach [Re: RandanAL] #4053871
01/05/24 01:31 AM
01/05/24 01:31 AM
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,635
Montgomery, AL
F
Forrestgump1 Offline
10 point
Forrestgump1  Offline
10 point
F
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,635
Montgomery, AL
A deers world is 4 ft and down. Mast trees are great, and savannah type habitats are excellent. Biggest issue is keeping it a savannah.

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4

Aldeer.com Copyright 2001-2023 Aldeer LLP.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1
(Release build 20180111)
Page Time: 0.222s Queries: 14 (0.027s) Memory: 3.2815 MB (Peak: 3.5600 MB) Zlib disabled. Server Time: 2024-04-27 09:21:01 UTC