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Re: How many does?
[Re: jaredhunts]
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12/06/23 05:49 PM
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Not as many as you think. I've seen studies where they say the average is 2-4. In areas with whacked out ratios, it could be more and some say as high as 8 when the rut goes on from Dec to April, in order to get all the available does successfully serviced. They also say this is highly stressful on the bucks and post rut mortality is significantly higher.
My biologist buddy told me that 60-70% of the breeding in Alabama is being done by immature bucks "2.5 yrs old and younger", in part, thanks to our out of whack ratios and piss poor age structure throughout most of the state. Does will stay in heat for a day or day and a half. Buck will stay with her during that time and breed her multiple times, unless he's run off by another buck.
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Re: How many does?
[Re: jaredhunts]
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12/06/23 09:14 PM
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ABolt is spot on. The idea that many hunter have is that a few dominant bucks do almost all of the breeding is a myth.
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Re: How many does?
[Re: jaredhunts]
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12/06/23 09:57 PM
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There's a whole lot more "wham , bam thank you ma'am" than you think. Many studies have shown does with twins having different fathers. There was a study that came out a few years ago that found the "lock down" was not as long as previously thought and non existent in some areas. I never put much stock in the lock down phase around here anyway.
The only one I saw breed was a wham , bam thank you ma'am. There was a small buck chasing a doe around me . Up the hill came a 3 yo 8 point. To make a long story short he took her away. He got between them , let out a sound I'd never heard before , she dropped her rear and he bred her. After it was done the 8 point went one way , the doe another and me and the small buck were left wondering what just happened.
As far as how many does one buck can breed , as many as will cooperate.
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Re: How many does?
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12/06/23 10:27 PM
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There's a whole lot more "wham , bam thank you ma'am" than you think. Many studies have shown does with twins having different fathers. There was a study that came out a few years ago that found the "lock down" was not as long as previously thought and non existent in some areas. I never put much stock in the lock down phase around here anyway.
The only one I saw breed was a wham , bam thank you ma'am. There was a small buck chasing a doe around me . Up the hill came a 3 yo 8 point. To make a long story short he took her away. He got between them , let out a sound I'd never heard before , she dropped her rear and he bred her. After it was done the 8 point went one way , the doe another and me and the small buck were left wondering what just happened.
As far as how many does one buck can breed , as many as will cooperate. This is exactly what I've seen during peak rut. Done and gone. Another point I want to bring up. Fortunately the mature bucks I've witnessed and killed were trailing the doe during the lock down phase or the doe came to him. That's right I've seen a doe walk up to a buck that was feeding, minding his own business and a doe walk up and flirt with him. Don't know what the outcome would of been, he had a prior arrangement with my meat grinder and my wall, but it was a cool thing to see. Another scenario I witnessed was a mature buck trailing a doe and I shot and dropped the buck, about 10mins later she came back and hoofed the crap out of him. Bleated and carried on like crazy. She even stuck around while I gutted him and started to drag him out. Back at the camp I told one of the old timers what I witnessed. He told me sometimes the doe wants "it" more than the buck does and will go crazy when they move on or in my case are killed. Don't know any science behind this but it was definitely something I've never seen before.
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Re: How many does?
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/06/23 11:31 PM
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Genetic testing has concluded the average buck will breed 1-3 does successfully. WAY less than most of you think. So in areas with ratios skewed heavily toward females that leaves a LOT of does to hit a second or even a third estrous cycle, and I’ve nauseatingly tried to explain the herd health issues that creates until I’m not doing it any longer cause nobody listens. Deer breed like cattle you know. 🙄
😂 So do you think we should knock the doe population back until it reaches a point that it matches up better with the overharvesting of bucks that’s occurring??
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Re: How many does?
[Re: CNC]
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12/07/23 12:20 AM
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Genetic testing has concluded the average buck will breed 1-3 does successfully. WAY less than most of you think. So in areas with ratios skewed heavily toward females that leaves a LOT of does to hit a second or even a third estrous cycle, and I’ve nauseatingly tried to explain the herd health issues that creates until I’m not doing it any longer cause nobody listens. Deer breed like cattle you know. 🙄
😂 So do you think we should knock the doe population back until it reaches a point that it matches up better with the overharvesting of bucks that’s occurring?? Each case is different.
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Re: How many does?
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/07/23 01:08 AM
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So you’re saying that shooting does isnt necessarily the solution to fixing skewed buck to doe ratios in all situations??.....When is it the solution and when isn’t it???
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Re: How many does?
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12/07/23 07:05 AM
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So you’re saying that shooting does isnt necessarily the solution to fixing skewed buck to doe ratios in all situations??.....When is it the solution and when isn’t it??? I’m trying to figure out that no matter how you spin it, seems like there’s always more does than bucks. I would say that on most properties hunters are harvesting more does than bucks. Is nature trying to tell us that the natural balance is more does than bucks? That the 2 to 1 ratios every one rants about is a pipe dream? I see benefits to trying to make it 2 to 1, but maybe that’s not natural, and I’m sure those numbers would have to be site specific. i remember back when it was 10 to 1 ,,,, big bucks ever where . the more they research the more they manage the shitter it gets it seems . they been trying to fix deer hunting for 45 years , hows that going . lol just my opinion. carrying capacity is the main thing . trigger control on bucks is the next . kill what does you dont need . just like cattle . lol alabama never see a rut like they have in northern/other states
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Re: How many does?
[Re: Frankie]
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12/07/23 07:13 AM
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alabama never see a rut like they have in northern/other states
That’s property specific. I’ve seen Midwest rutting behaviors and intensity on southern properties. It’s all about deer herd dynamics.
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