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brass or aluminum inserts #398005
09/02/12 03:21 PM
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which ones? i have a Barnett ghost 400 cross bow.it pushes the 400fps mark.per Barnett no crono.

the only bolt per Barnett are the easton or gold tip that will with stand the 400 fps.idk.
so i used gt with my bow for years with out any problems.tried Aston and never found one that worked as well in mine or the wifes.
so i went to gt web site and it will let me build my own laser 4 pro bolts.got the color and 4 inch fletching. now it want to know if i want brass or aluminum inserts.never done this so which ones? also why?just so ill know for the future.

Re: brass or aluminum inserts [Re: marcus1] #398070
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never got this deep.what is the difference in a arrow with .001 straitness and .050 grams vs .005 straitness and 2.00 grams.other than 40.00 per dozen difference?is there a point in a hunting that this would make that big of deal?

Re: brass or aluminum inserts [Re: marcus1] #398117
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The straightness tolerance is how close it goes back to
Normal straightness after being bent. The grain difference is the amount of error in the weight calculation. I would stay away from the super cheap ones for
Hunting, but don't think you necisarrly need the pro shaft for
Hunting either. Just my .02 though.



Re: brass or aluminum inserts [Re: marcus1] #398131
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Actually the straightness rating is how close the shaft is to being perfectly straight. Average shafts have a +/- .006" per 28". The weight tolerance is the difference in weight per dozen shafts. Most people don't shoot well enough to notice .006" difference in straightness or 5gr. worth of weight difference regardless of what they say. I know I don't. But, you have to throw in the confidence factor.

When I buy carbon shafts, I pull the nocks out and cut 2" off the rear of the shaft. I then reinstall the nocks and cut them to length. Doing this will take most shafts from +/- .006" straightness to .003" or better. The most important thing to look for in an arrow shaft actually isn't listed. That's consistent spine. As most of you know, your arrow flexes when it leaves the bow. A finger shooters arrow will flex left & right. A release shooters arrow will flex up & down. This is called archer's paradox. If this is inconsistent, your groups will be also.

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Re: brass or aluminum inserts [Re: marcus1] #398471
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Component Name Value Weight
Shaft Base Laser IV 22" Half-Moon
Spine N/A
Straightness Tolerance +/- 0.005"
Weight Tolerance +/- 2.00 Gr
Cut to Length 22.00" 305.8 Gr
Fletching 4.00" VMAX Vanes 28.8 Gr
Cock Color (X1) White 9.60 Gr
Hen Color (X2) Flo Yellow 19.2 Gr
Point 11/32" EZ Pull 125 gr 125.00 Gr
Insert Laser IV Brass 60.00 Gr
Additional Weight No weight added 0 Gr
Arrow Wrap No 0.00 Gr
Nock Laser IV Aluminum Half-Moon 23.00 Gr
Nock Color Silver
Bushing No bushing 0 Gr

Total Arrow Weight 542.6 Gr
Front of Center Balance (FOC) 12.98%
these are 109.98 for a dozen.


Component Name Value Weight
Shaft Base Laser IV Pro 22 Half-Moon
Spine N/A
Straightness Tolerance +/- 0.001"
Weight Tolerance +/- 0.50 Gr
Cut to Length 22.00" 305.8 Gr
Fletching 4.00" VMAX Vanes 28.8 Gr
Cock Color (X1) White 9.60 Gr
Hen Color (X2) Flo Yellow 19.2 Gr
Point 11/32" EZ Pull 125 gr 125.00 Gr
Insert Laser IV Brass 60.00 Gr
Additional Weight No weight added 0 Gr
Arrow Wrap No 0.00 Gr
Nock Laser IV Aluminum Half-Moon 23.00 Gr
Nock Color Silver
Bushing No bushing 0 Gr

Total Arrow Weight 542.6 Gr
Front of Center Balance (FOC) 12.98%
these are 139.98 a dozen


which one do you think i shoiuld get.as said before i have just bought what was on the shelf that was called for by the arrow charts for my bow.but with this crossbow they dont have them. i know in the paper work that came with the xbow the minunum blot without broadhead weight is 425grams.these are 417.6.all the other permade are 380 grams and less.

Re: brass or aluminum inserts [Re: marcus1] #398535
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I would go with the first one. The minimum bolt weight listed in your owner's manual is for total weight, that includes point / broadhead weight. Both of those choices you listed come with 125gr. points. Total weight for both listed are 542.6 grains.


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Re: brass or aluminum inserts [Re: marcus1] #398601
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how would i find out what the factory ones are? looked at the web and nothing about weight or anything.if you are saying 425 grams total how will this affect it with them being 542.6 grams.

Re: brass or aluminum inserts [Re: marcus1] #398615
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Weigh them. The ones that came with your's most likely weigh more than 425gr. The 425gr. is the minimum weight you can safely shoot out of your crossbow, not the actual weight of the bolts that came with it.

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