I was reading the July/August issue of Turkey Country the other night and ran across the harvest numbers for Alabama over the last few years and what I read shocked me.

69,000 in 2007
46,000 in 2008
36,600 in 2009

Do these numbers concern anyone else or am I worried about nothing?

I wonder how the data was compiled.

I don't remember it saying anythign about that at all. The numbers came out of the fall hunt guide. I was readign up on soem fall hen killin

I have a hard time believing that data. Just doesn't seem right.

They probably just took some numbers from the WMA reported kills and factored in some multiplier and called it that.


There doesnt seem to be any less turkeys than there were a few years ago and I am sure there arent less people hunting. Unless its in other places than I adventure.

I know you have had a decrease in the areas you hunt, but I was thinking that was in TN.

Seems like TN where they kill hens is stable and high but AL where some would protect all but 5 yr old goblers is declining (you can tell it is the off season! )

the places i hunt in AL are better today than they were 4 years ago. my TN places are another story, they have gottem worse for the last 5 years.

i'll just keep killin em until there aren't anymore and then move on to another spot i guess.

The Alabama harvest report is an "estimate" at best. More appropriately, the number is total BS. Last I heard, they got these numbers from a hunter survey which is done by mail.

The hunter survey is the only way that they can do it and I don't think it could be very accurate, but who knows. I have only hunted AL for about 5 or 6 years and it seems to be better now if anything.

Over the years I have noticed a considerable decrease in turkeys around south Wilcox county but during that same 35-40 years I have seen a good increase in and around St. Clair County.
I see a Big differece in the turkeys actions in wilcox co as well. Turkeys back in the 60s and 70s gobbled earlier in the morning an more in the afternoons. I just assume that its the increased hunting pressure.
Around my place in south wilcox you can spot a turkey or groups of turkeys in a field some 3-500 yards away and if you stop the vehicle they will run to the nearest woods. Around St. Clair co. and KY at those same distances they hardly pay one any attention.

I don't believe those numbers.

As many hunters as there are in this state, only 36,600 turkeys died last year?

Bullchit.

I'm with clem.

You don't have to wonder how they got their numbers; the report is there for all to read:

http://www.outdooralabama.com/research-m...ey%20Report.pdf

I would expect that the harvest numbers are reasonably accurate. The methods they used are no different from those used in just about any kind of scientific survey you can imagine - from political races to soil sampling. They are saying that the Percent Standard Error is 8.4%, so they don't claim that the figures are exact.

The harvest trend is down for the past 3 years, and I would think that is beyond dispute. However, it is normal for the harvest to fluctuate from year to year. Since 1984, the number of birds killed per hunter has varied from a low of .7 to a high of 1.1. We were at the lower end of the range in 2009, but it may have bounced back this past season.

The harvest depends on a lot more factors than just total population. Weather can have a huge effect on the number killed. I also notice that the harvest included only 10% jakes - other years have been much higher. That could be due to the fact that there weren't as many jakes to shoot, or it could be that hunters are choosing to kill only mature birds. Personally, I don't remember seeing many jakes in 09, but saw a bunch this past season. I also remember it being very tough to kill a turkey in 2009, even though I was around them and heard them every morning.

I got no idea if the harvest was up or down in 2010. I couldn't tell any difference in overall numbers on the places in hunt in Coosa and Perry counties, but it is a big state and few of us can have a good idea of what's happening all over it. But I did get a hunter survey for this past season, and so did deadeye, so we may skew the results upward.

We've still got plenty of turkeys.

Here in the SW corner of the State, we have lost a lot of turkey habitat.

I'll be the first to say that turkeys have truly adapted to the pine plantations. But, there is a timpe period that the area is unsuitable for turky habitat. With the revolving timber harvest that is ongoing in this area, it has served to decrease the overall turkey population.

But, that's just my observation.

Dont tell gobbler.

As I have always noted: A LOT of anything is bad for everything 5,000 acres of even-aged hardwood bottomland with nothing else will have very little of anything, as will 5,000 acres of even-aged pine plantation (especially young), as will 5,000 acres of open, burned pineywoods (OK, scratch that last example - it will have quite a bit of everything )...You get my drift

I was only joking, I do believe that statement to be true.

When they first started planting plantations in Wilcox county the turkeys in the woods surrounding the pines, at certain times of the year, would go out into them and scratch up the straw to get to the grubs and snales beneith. Small patches were like a magnet to them suckers.

I can tell you for a fact the turkey hunting in conecuh county is nothing compared to what it was 10 years ago. My turkey hunting buddy for years is a wildlife biologist and a rabid turkey hunter. When the land owners started cutting all the big timber off our place he got out. The days of standing on the camp house porch and trying to decided which gobbler you wanted go after are over. After hurricane Ivan our place was clearcut poisoned and planted in pines and now you are hard pressed to hear a gobble on a beautiful spring morning. Three years ago I got to work and kill one bird. Two years ago I didn't get to work a bird all season. This spring I got to work and kill one bird. So I agree with the survey.

Back in the 60s the old gentleman who owned the store at Possum Bend in Wilcox county and who was also a GREAT wildlife artist, painted a huge sign, with a gobbler walking through a field of stumps carrying a "roosting T pole" under his wing which he mounted atop his store. Needless to say, it cost him the paper company gasoline business.

William Harris....