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Re: Tweeners, super jakes
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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04/28/23 09:42 PM
04/28/23 09:42 PM
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howl
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Ain't nobody checking beard nor spur length before shooting. At least I hope not. That's as boring as deer farming.
I will walk away from a round gobble 2yo to get made a fool of by a probable limbhanger, though. That's turkey hunting to me. Aging turkeys and dominant gobblers etc.. sound exactly like trying to make it like deer hunting. Full fan + gobble = shoot. I can see where you'd take it that way, but no. Most people into antlers only care about measurements. In fact many of the serious ones I know think in terms of sweat equity, cell cam pics and killing on a food plot with no real hunting. The only qualification for trophy status is the tape measure. You can't measure what makes a gobbler a trophy. That's why I'll walk away from a 2yo, after I've already killed one. Older birds offer more of a hunt, most of the time. I like hunting turkeys much more than killing them. You can tell a 2 year old from a 3 year old, BEFORE he is dead? How do you do it? I had a system that I thought worked pretty well for telling the 2s and 3s apart AFTER killing them, but the biologists on here told me it wasn't reliable. If you can tell them apart when they are still alive, that's very impressive. I suspect you can tell the difference between a younger gobbler and an older bird by sound and behavior. Your younger bird is going to be a 2yo more often than not because that is what exists within a population.
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Re: Tweeners, super jakes
[Re: howl]
#3903195
04/28/23 09:59 PM
04/28/23 09:59 PM
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Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 16,496 Guntersville
AC870
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Someone told me them jakes is good eatin’. I dunno about tweeners & soupers.
“Killing tomorrow’s trophies today.”
On the distance I like to walk to my stands: “The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
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Re: Tweeners, super jakes
[Re: howl]
#3903277
04/29/23 07:58 AM
04/29/23 07:58 AM
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Posts: 12,139 Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
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I sometimes imagine that I can tell a gobbling turkey is a jake, but would have to admit that I have been wrong often. There have been times I thought a turkey had a weak gobble and was likely a jake, and then turned out to have a long beard. I actually had it happen this season. I got on a turkey that had a real short gobble, and didn't want to hunt him because of that, but he was the only game in town. He turned out to have a long beard when I finally saw him. I still didn't kill him; he might have had a short gobble but he was no dummy.
I've also gotten on turkeys with a strong gobble that I never even thought might be a jake, only to find out that they were.
But a 2 year old gobbler is capable of shaking the ground with his gobble, as much as a turkey that is older. His feathers are the same as an older bird, he can weigh over 20 pounds and have a thick 12" beard and have spurs that are over an inch. I don't believe anyone can say that a turkey still alive is 2 or 3.
I have thought it possible to age them after killing them. Spurs can give you a clue; not just the length, but the curvature also. I have thought that the amber in the end of the beard was the most definitive way to separate a 2 year old from one that is 3 and up. An older turkey will have beard ends that are all black, while the 2 yr has a lot that are amber. Lovett Williams thought the method worked, but some of the current researchers say that it doesn't. I think the exceptions are likely caused when one gets beard rot and the beard breaks off, but I could be wrong.
I still look at them and try to guess their age, but it's just a curiosity and it is only done after the turkey is dead.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Tweeners, super jakes
[Re: howl]
#3903311
04/29/23 08:49 AM
04/29/23 08:49 AM
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,053 colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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I’ve given up on aging them by beard or spurs, live or dead. Information from trapping and banding them have done away with that for me.
Years ago we had a gobbler that we thought was as a Jake. Very distinctive gobble that we called him the screamer. Finally killed him and had over 1 inch spurs and 11 inch beard. Figured he’d been shot before and had a damaged vocal cord of some sort.
I have killed what would be classified as 4-5 yr old easiest bird I ver killed and then a 2 yr old the hardest.
I remember some guys on a club that would call in jakes and shoot over their heads and scare the heck out of them. They said they never killed a 2 yr old after that. They were impossible to call in as 2 yr olds.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Tweeners, super jakes
[Re: howl]
#3903346
04/29/23 10:23 AM
04/29/23 10:23 AM
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,053 colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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I’ve killed a few jakes I would’ve sworn were mature birds as the hunt progressed. A buddy killed one I called in actin all grown up full strut, booming gobble, the works. Problem he was in sage grass we couldn’t see but the top 1/3 of the bird.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Tweeners, super jakes
[Re: howl]
#3903353
04/29/23 10:33 AM
04/29/23 10:33 AM
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Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,238 Central Al
twaldrop4
10 point
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10 point
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Central Al
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Gotta set them measuring sticks out like Ol hevi
Last edited by twaldrop4; 04/29/23 10:35 AM.
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Re: Tweeners, super jakes
[Re: howl]
#3903704
04/30/23 08:28 AM
04/30/23 08:28 AM
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TDog93
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Carter - shooting over turkeys as jakes is one of the dumbest things i ever heard in hunting - whipping way too good for those guys I also hear dumbies say before - i could call them in before season now i cant - because u already educated them u big dummy
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Tweeners, super jakes
[Re: TDog93]
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04/30/23 08:46 AM
04/30/23 08:46 AM
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Posts: 19,053 colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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Carter - shooting over turkeys as jakes is one of the dumbest things i ever heard in hunting - whipping way too good for those guys I also hear dumbies say before - i could call them in before season now i cant - because u already educated them u big dummy I wasn’t in that club, those two were killers but didn’t wanna share. I guess you can say karma cause after that they weren’t killing either. LOL
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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