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Re: Black Cow and Aminopyralid
[Re: Jakethesnake]
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04/17/23 03:30 PM
04/17/23 03:30 PM
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Never use Black Cow bags. Some of it will contain weed killer and its ruined so much of my time and lots of friends I know. I just discovered my problem and have talked to lots of friends with same problem that has no idea they were poisoning their gardens.
Most hay, straw and manure has aminopyralid in it. Aka Grazon. I can't believe Black Cow is sold.
If your plant leaves curl upward. Short plants Tomatoe plants look good and bloom but won't produce lots of tomatoes. Look for the leave curl. It won't kill the plants. You got a link or something for this?
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Re: Black Cow and Aminopyralid
[Re: Jakethesnake]
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04/17/23 06:22 PM
04/17/23 06:22 PM
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It sounds to me it's like when you get manure in bulk. I have used and am using black kow without a issue.
In your darkest hour when the demons come, call on me brother and we'll fight them together.
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Re: Black Cow and Aminopyralid
[Re: !shiloh!]
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04/17/23 07:41 PM
04/17/23 07:41 PM
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FurFlyin
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Yep I know several folks who had the same problem. If I remember correctly FurFlyin had the same thing happen last spring. I didn't, but I composted some of our own manure 20 or so years ago and it had the residual from Grazon in it. I covered the garden in the late fall, turned it under in the spring and grew nothing but corn that summer. It killed every broadleaf garden plant dead as a hammer.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Black Cow and Aminopyralid
[Re: Jakethesnake]
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04/20/23 06:06 AM
04/20/23 06:06 AM
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Just days before I learned about this, I saw a man but $180 worth of Black Cow from CT Garvin. You can't tell me that people in the business don't know. The compost folks likely don’t know. I work in the herbicide business and many times the composter buys manure from places that have fed hay that has been sprayed with one of many products containing a persistent pyridine (as we call them) herbicide. The farmer may not have told who he sold the hay to, or maybe did, but the animal owner didn’t relay to The composter. The labels used to not allow any hay to move off the farm that was treated, nor manure from animals that grazed fields that had been treated with this chemistry. Corteva changed all that because it hurt their business or they just don’t advertise the restriction to customers. It may be going back soon, however. EPA is assessing that now. https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-use...eview-pyridine-and-pyrimidine-herbicides
If you do the things you need to do when you need to do them then someday you can do the things you want to do when you want to do them.
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Re: Black Cow and Aminopyralid
[Re: Jakethesnake]
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04/21/23 07:55 PM
04/21/23 07:55 PM
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007 I have a label question regarding FMC sulfentrazone “Spartan” and melons. There is an EPA “master” label that has melons listed as a crop with rates. I called the FMC rep and says it’s not labeled because it’s not the commercial label. If it is safe to use on melons why would the EPA approve it but FMC rep tells me it’s not labeled??
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Re: Black Cow and Aminopyralid
[Re: Jakethesnake]
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04/21/23 10:44 PM
04/21/23 10:44 PM
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I can’t say for sure since I dont work for the, but most likely they had planned to label it, but when they went to the states they did a “print restrict” on that use. It may be they found problems later or just wanted to hold off until they have a better market position. It is hard to say. I’ll give an example of what I have done in the past…we have a product we labeled in all the state, but for market reasons we print restricted it so that only counties we wanted were listed. So, it couldn’t be sold in those counties but we can come back and unrestrict it later if we want to.
I know Stanley well, but don’t see him much anymore, about once a year now.
If you do the things you need to do when you need to do them then someday you can do the things you want to do when you want to do them.
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Re: Black Cow and Aminopyralid
[Re: Jakethesnake]
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05/12/23 11:13 AM
05/12/23 11:13 AM
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Posts: 18,057 North AL
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Thanks for posting this Jake.
I'm currently working on building planting beds and a vegetable/herb garden around my house. I bought bags of compost and manure from HD to till into the hard clay. Mixed in 25 bags already for the ornamental planting beds but not the garden area
Before I go any further I'm going to test a few vegetable plants in my amended soil and see if I have any issues.
Damn shame when cow turds are killing plants.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Black Cow and Aminopyralid
[Re: Jakethesnake]
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05/12/23 03:39 PM
05/12/23 03:39 PM
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Maggie123
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I use it once and was not at all happy with it. Have not used it since. My favorite now is Diggers Delight.
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