Chamberlain could be a spokesman for the National Democratic Party.

Facts are facts

Bullchit…………Results of any given study don’t make it a definitive conclusion……It simply means, these are the results we got from this particular test under these particular conditions during this particular time frame.

Trust the science

The Original Date.....55 years ago when I killed my first Turkey always worked......March 20th(which actually is the first day of Spring) to April 25th. Then it got jacked around with....oh well.

Right but this is many tests with the same result.

This.

Well, there actually hasn’t been any facts dropped just yet in this here thread, so I’ll get the party started.

Myself and an army of other hunters have been fortunate enough to hunt just about every corner of the state. There’s a huge network of hunters, including aldeer, friends and family, talks at baseball fields and churches, etc, etc. The peak gobbling differences from south to north has been common knowledge for a long time. Myself along with an army of others, hunt in Marengo and Clarke county on March 15th - we hear multiple birds gobble 100’s of times. I and others communicate with friends and family hunting the northern 1/3 of the state on M15, and they hear a couple birds gobble a couple of time. By April 10th, this trend completely reverses. Myself and an army of other foresters/hunters walk up on a hen sitting on a nest on April 20 - and then communicate with friends and family hunting the northern 1/3 of the state - and the story goes - I sat on a henned up gobbler all morning with multiple hens.

Now - that’s an army of hunters - numbers in the 1000’s, that hear and see these truths firsthand. So - I just dropped a study on you with straight facts homie. What y’all got? Let’s hear the details and the sample size. I’m here for it.

I’m not arguing with what you’ve observed. I actually said I would expect there to be a difference. HOWEVER, the studies that have been conducted SO FAR concluded no significant difference.

I’ll try to dig up some stuff. It’s been many years since I reviewed them.

Matt, I respect your opinion and want to see the study. I actually can be open minded. I want to see all parameters. And why in the world would that study not be printed far and wide at this time. This is a passionate issue for hunters. Does the study have thousands upon thousands of observations - cool - I want to see it. Does it have 30 gobbling detectors hung in a tree - well in that case - let’s just not.

I would like to look at them if you could find them Matt…..

This whole process revolves around certain stages of plant growth, insect cycles, etc during the Spring green-up…….It would make no sense whatsoever for turkey reproduction to be a static date on the calendar that didn’t show any correlation with the difference in timing of these stages from south to north……low to high elevation. Understory vegetation in Mobile is at a much different stage of growth than understory vegetation in Mentone or Skyline on any given date during the Spring. I would be suspect of it being something in the sampling data if it didn’t show this.

Thanks 247 - i thought north to south was common knowledge too but i never looked at statistics on it

I think thats why New York season stays open till june - further north - their is a difference and i would think even a diff n same state from
N to S

I could not tell a big difference hunting north fl birds and marengo county - but if u go all way to top of state it has to b a diff

And now that u mention it - i remember talking to guys that hunt north bama and their birds r behind

The more i think about it - i can also remember thinking back - south arky birds were always ahead of n arky birds

So we can also discuss latitude. More facts!

There’s about 4.5 degrees of difference in AL. The next 4.5 degrees north would put you in south central IL, IN, and Ohio.

You would have to believe Huntsville AL would have the same peak gobbling as south central Illinois, Indiana and Ohio. Anybody believe that? Any studies needed?

Agree with everything you sayin 247…people get so wrapped up in theory’s that they lose common sense…or they just may be stupid from the get go

Back when we had lots of turkeys on our place in Monroe County, we always heard the most gobbling in the first 10 or so day of April. The last couple of years was about the same on the few gobbles I heard.

Not theories, research results is what this thread is about.

We are still waiting on any research results. So far we are relying on MBrocks word that the research evidence exists. Yall hold your breath waiting on that to be delivered

Mbrock you are a wealth of knowledge and I generally agree with you, but there is absolutely no way breeding/gobbling dates don't vary from Mobile to Huntsville. I will never be convinced to believe that regardless of what study I see, but the number of those studies I've seen at this point remains 0.

I always knew he and Matty was boys

I can understand hearing some young birds gobbling from North to South beginning in March just like we at times hear birds gobbling in January
I just cannot believe the majority of birds (old and young) are gobbling and breeding at the same time throughout the state
If there is research showing this I'd like to see who did the study and how they came to this conclusion
The same people coming up with the same conclusions throughout 3 states stinks to high heaven IMO