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by Big Bore. 05/01/24 11:16 PM
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Re: Question Number One
[Re: JUGHEAD]
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Since it don't affect 96% of hunters as you state....why the pissin and moanin? You one of the 4%? And according to 9er hunter numbers are dropping every year b/c 4% of hunters might be effected by a buck limit???...yea, makes a lot of sense...
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Re: Question Number One
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Since it don't affect 96% of hunters as you state....why the pissin and moanin? You one of the 4%? I have never killed more than 3 bucks in Alabama but I liked the old limit better. anybody else feel like pounding there head into a block wall... 
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Re: Question Number One
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I have never killed more than 3 bucks in Alabama but I liked the old limit better.
Many people believe in limited government intervention and that the role of government should be regulation only where necessary and allowing the people to make choices beyond that with their local knowledge.
Others think it is best for the government to supply the answers through regulation and central planning.
You one of those? In a case where a selfish, irresponsible's individual's actions can affect the quality of hunting for many other folks in a given locale, WHILE not affecting the quality of hunting for 96% of licensed hunters....all day and twice on Sunday. The simple fact is that the overwhelming majority of Alabama's deer hunters do not have sole deer hunting rights to hundreds and certainly not thousands of acres. Folks who do are the exception and not the rule (you know that, and I know that, and anybody who is intellectually honest knows that) and as a result, they're situation should not drive subsequent regulation. As I've said before, I personally would not have a bit of problem if the state exempted individuals from the 3 buck limit if they can prove that doing so will not significantly affect the buck population in an invidual locale (ex. a person who has sole hunting rights on a 1000 acres). Ya'll continue to act like restricting someone's allowable buck harvest to a "ridiculous" ONLY 3 allowed is on the same infrigement upon individual rights plain as attempts at restricting gun ownership, or further taxation of millions of working Americans, or Obamacare, etc. Ya'll just sound like a bunch of whiney, dramatic women when you make such leaps. And that's how it starts. Do you also think it is ridiculous to allow clips that hold 30 rounds? Lots of people do. What about 29 rounds, 28 rounds. The simple fact is the overwhelming majority of people will never find themself in a situation where they need a 30 round magazine. Those few that do should not be the ones to drive regulation should they? People are quick to give up the liberties of the few when it doesn't effect them. Pretty soon someone wants you to give up something that does effect you. It's not about deer. It's about a model of government. don't confuse gun rights with game limits. Either oppose ALL laws or accept that some laws are necessary and some laws might need to be amended due to changes. It's completely acceptable to be ultra conservative, NRA card carrying, Republican, Tea Party member, etc. and still think that a 3 buck limit is a good thing.  9er loves to think otherwise but he even knows he is blowing smoke
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Re: Question Number One
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I have never killed more than 3 bucks in Alabama but I liked the old limit better.
Many people believe in limited government intervention and that the role of government should be regulation only where necessary and allowing the people to make choices beyond that with their local knowledge.
Others think it is best for the government to supply the answers through regulation and central planning.
You one of those? In a case where a selfish, irresponsible's individual's actions can affect the quality of hunting for many other folks in a given locale, WHILE not affecting the quality of hunting for 96% of licensed hunters....all day and twice on Sunday. The simple fact is that the overwhelming majority of Alabama's deer hunters do not have sole deer hunting rights to hundreds and certainly not thousands of acres. Folks who do are the exception and not the rule (you know that, and I know that, and anybody who is intellectually honest knows that) and as a result, they're situation should not drive subsequent regulation. As I've said before, I personally would not have a bit of problem if the state exempted individuals from the 3 buck limit if they can prove that doing so will not significantly affect the buck population in an invidual locale (ex. a person who has sole hunting rights on a 1000 acres). Ya'll continue to act like restricting someone's allowable buck harvest to a "ridiculous" ONLY 3 allowed is on the same infrigement upon individual rights plain as attempts at restricting gun ownership, or further taxation of millions of working Americans, or Obamacare, etc. Ya'll just sound like a bunch of whiney, dramatic women when you make such leaps. And that's how it starts. Do you also think it is ridiculous to allow clips that hold 30 rounds? Lots of people do. What about 29 rounds, 28 rounds. The simple fact is the overwhelming majority of people will never find themself in a situation where they need a 30 round magazine. Those few that do should not be the ones to drive regulation should they? People are quick to give up the liberties of the few when it doesn't effect them. Pretty soon someone wants you to give up something that does effect you. It's not about deer. It's about a model of government. don't confuse gun rights with game limits. Either oppose ALL laws or accept that some laws are necessary and some laws might need to be amended due to changes. It's completely acceptable to be ultra conservative, NRA card carrying, Republican, Tea Party member, etc. and still think that a 3 buck limit is a good thing. 9er loves to think otherwise but he even knows he is blowing smoke I think pretty much everyone knows he's blowin' smoke. 
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Re: Question Number One
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Since it don't affect 96% of hunters as you state....why the pissin and moanin? You one of the 4%? I have never killed more than 3 bucks in Alabama but I liked the old limit better. I find that very 
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Question Number One
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And that's how it starts. Do you also think it is ridiculous to allow clips that hold 30 rounds? Lots of people do. What about 29 rounds, 28 rounds.
The simple fact is the overwhelming majority of people will never find themself in a situation where they need a 30 round magazine. Those few that do should not be the ones to drive regulation should they?
People are quick to give up the liberties of the few when it doesn't effect them. Pretty soon someone wants you to give up something that does effect you.
It's not about deer. It's about a model of government.
In that case, you and and a whole bunch of others including myself.....should have raised total hell and rebelled against the government over the fact that we couldn't kill any does whatsoever and only 1 buck per day for all those years. I had to pass a bunch of deer back then and my rights were trampled on as a result. Think I'm gonna sue.  As I recall, not killing does went on too long and ended up really messing up the buck to doe ratio according to a lot of people as well as creating a herd that was beyond the appropriate carrying capacity of the land in areas. Maybe if the regulations were less restrictive, people who realized early on that their property was becoming overpopulated could have taken steps to correct the problem? Do you think it worked out better that they had to wait for the government to decide that for them?
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Re: Question Number One
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I'm still still trying to figure out who is gonna pay for all these site specific limits, that's gonna get expensive There is a synopsis of The Road to Serfdom by Freidrich Hayek. He was an advisor to Ronald Reagan It's mostly about economics but can be applied to much of government in general. Read it and you will better understand why site specific limits set by the people more intimately involved with the local variables will trump a limit created by central planning. that goes back to my college days I'm still trying to understand just how in the hell we can regulate deer season at all on a site specific case, that would be extremely expensive, as of right now you can shoot and kill any as you wish under what the establishment has determined yea that sucks but there has to be some sort of regulation, we've seen what no regulation looked like, closed deer season and reintroductions into areas I really doubt AL wants to take on a season with varying limits per district or county etc.... just try and figure a way to regulate that now go back to my comment about cost at what point are you and most others willing to pay for this kind of situation We have also seen the population explode under a 1 buck a day limit. The earlier depletion of the resource was a different day and age. If we got back to that point, regulation would be necessary....but we aren't in that day and age.
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Re: Question Number One
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Since it don't affect 96% of hunters as you state....why the pissin and moanin? You one of the 4%? I have never killed more than 3 bucks in Alabama but I liked the old limit better. anybody else feel like pounding there head into a block wall... Like I said...it's about a model of government. If anyone wants to know why the country is going down the big government road, just look at these threads. Everyone says they are for small government....unless the government is doing something they want.
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Re: Question Number One
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I have never killed more than 3 bucks in Alabama but I liked the old limit better.
Many people believe in limited government intervention and that the role of government should be regulation only where necessary and allowing the people to make choices beyond that with their local knowledge.
Others think it is best for the government to supply the answers through regulation and central planning.
You one of those? In a case where a selfish, irresponsible's individual's actions can affect the quality of hunting for many other folks in a given locale, WHILE not affecting the quality of hunting for 96% of licensed hunters....all day and twice on Sunday. The simple fact is that the overwhelming majority of Alabama's deer hunters do not have sole deer hunting rights to hundreds and certainly not thousands of acres. Folks who do are the exception and not the rule (you know that, and I know that, and anybody who is intellectually honest knows that) and as a result, they're situation should not drive subsequent regulation. As I've said before, I personally would not have a bit of problem if the state exempted individuals from the 3 buck limit if they can prove that doing so will not significantly affect the buck population in an invidual locale (ex. a person who has sole hunting rights on a 1000 acres). Ya'll continue to act like restricting someone's allowable buck harvest to a "ridiculous" ONLY 3 allowed is on the same infrigement upon individual rights plain as attempts at restricting gun ownership, or further taxation of millions of working Americans, or Obamacare, etc. Ya'll just sound like a bunch of whiney, dramatic women when you make such leaps. And that's how it starts. Do you also think it is ridiculous to allow clips that hold 30 rounds? Lots of people do. What about 29 rounds, 28 rounds. The simple fact is the overwhelming majority of people will never find themself in a situation where they need a 30 round magazine. Those few that do should not be the ones to drive regulation should they? People are quick to give up the liberties of the few when it doesn't effect them. Pretty soon someone wants you to give up something that does effect you. It's not about deer. It's about a model of government. don't confuse gun rights with game limits. Either oppose ALL laws or accept that some laws are necessary and some laws might need to be amended due to changes. It's completely acceptable to be ultra conservative, NRA card carrying, Republican, Tea Party member, etc. and still think that a 3 buck limit is a good thing. 9er loves to think otherwise but he even knows he is blowing smoke I agree that some laws are necessary. I am all for necessary laws but government gets in trouble when it starts going further than necessary. That is what we all claim to be against when we talk about the problems with big government. So I guess the question is why is a 3 buck limit "necessary"? I don't think it is.
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Re: Question Number One
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Would ya'll please quit quoting truedouble, buckshot, clem, coldtrail, jughead, gobbler, cartervj and 2dogs in your posts?
I chose to ignore them because of their constant lies about my positon on conservation and hunting. Please accept my own words if you want to know my opinion. You won't get the truth about my opinion listening to those listed above.
When you quote these people in your posts, their lying shows up again, an I'd rather not see it. They will have to answer for it, so I'm content to go my separate way an leave them out of my discussions. Unfortunately, they can't accept that.
I think their intent is for me to waste time discounting their lies about my opinions and actions instead of debating the issues on their merits. That's a good indicator of a weak argument.
I don't intend to go down that road any more. I'm sick of it.
I would appreciate it if you wouldn't repeat their lies by quoting them in your posts.
Thanks,
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Re: Question Number One
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Re: Question Number One
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Re: Question Number One
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Would ya'll please quit quoting truedouble, buckshot, clem, coldtrail, jughead, gobbler, cartervj and 2dogs in your posts?
Thanks,
Eddie He's start'in to sweat, Y'all got him on the ropes boys go for the kill!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Question Number One
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I really do not understand all this restricting peoples hunting rights. Every species of game animal has some kind of bag limit whats the big deal.I limited out two years ago with a week of deer season left(which could happen any year since I hunt on multiple leases) but did I stop hunting heck no! I just took other people with me. Hunted with my adult daughter, a friend that had never killed a buck and a friend's son so he could hunt by himself. I just do not see the problem...... You must be new around here. We've covered this over and over. Were you limited in your deer season for lawful reasons? Rules of the DCNR are only authorized when they are reasonable and necessary for the administration of our game and fish laws. Our game and fish laws do not authorize the setting of seasons and bag limits for wildlife management purposes on privateley owned and leased lands. I'll be glad to go thru it once more with you if you're genuinely interested in learning why I am concerned about unauthorized restrictions on our hunting rights. Here's what a federal judge said about one of the DCNR's rules that was being considered in court: Honorable Frank M. Johnson, Jr., Chief Judge, in his Findings and Conclusions, said:
"I would suspect that arbitrariness and capriciousness, and political motivation, as opposed to sound conservation practices based upon reasonableness, is also inherently involved; and I so consider it in analyzing and evaluating the evidence in the case." I can't think of a better description of the current buck limit/antler restrictions.
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Re: Question Number One
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I really do not understand all this restricting peoples hunting rights. Every species of game animal has some kind of bag limit whats the big deal.I limited out two years ago with a week of deer season left(which could happen any year since I hunt on multiple leases) but did I stop hunting heck no! I just took other people with me. Hunted with my adult daughter, a friend that had never killed a buck and a friend's son so he could hunt by himself. I just do not see the problem...... If the bag limit is needed, that's one thing. If it's not, why have it? I have said before that I think we should do away with squirrel season. Does anyone really think that we need a squirrel season to protect the squirrel population? If we had no squirrel season I bet we would still have squirrels. People just don't hunt them like they once did. If at some time in the future we determined that we were overharvesting squirrels, at that point we would need to tighten the regulations. It's the same principle and the same idea of the role of government.
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Re: Question Number One
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bigt, The DCNR cannot make up it's own authority. Only the legislature can to that. Here's how the legislature authorized the DCNR to close seasons: (7) To close the season of any species of game in any county or area when, upon a survey by the department, it is found necessary to the conservation and perpetuation of such species and to reopen such closed season when it is deemed advisable. Was it necessary for you to quit hunting early for the conservation and perpetuation of the species? I don't think so. Somebody's idea of "herd health" was the reason you could not hunt.
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Re: Question Number One
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I really do not understand all this restricting peoples hunting rights. Every species of game animal has some kind of bag limit whats the big deal.I limited out two years ago with a week of deer season left(which could happen any year since I hunt on multiple leases) but did I stop hunting heck no! I just took other people with me. Hunted with my adult daughter, a friend that had never killed a buck and a friend's son so he could hunt by himself. I just do not see the problem...... If the bag limit is needed, that's one thing. If it's not, why have it? I have said before that I think we should do away with squirrel season. Does anyone really think that we need a squirrel season to protect the squirrel population? If we had no squirrel season I bet we would still have squirrels. People just don't hunt them like they once did. If at some time in the future we determined that we were overharvesting squirrels, at that point we would need to tighten the regulations. It's the same principle and the same idea of the role of government. I can agree with you on this. I just do not see anybody talking about how it illegal to set squirrels limits or any other limits for that matter when there is obiviously not a population problem. Does anybody not care about the legality of all the limits?
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