I am saying you pose a bunch of questions and propose many solutions about deer movement that have already been answered by others. You seem to be interested in the issues of deer movement and I'm just saying that a quick google scholar search on "deer and road barriers" (or similar wording) will have dozens of studies with thousands of deer tracked to include what barriers to movement are. Some really interesting genetic work has been completed too. We don't have to come up with stuff off the top of our heads because the answers are out there. No one can dispute your "does guarding the castle" and "rose petal of doe dispersal" theories because they are all in your head.

You are the master of metaphors though.

Thanks, I see things clearer now.

Thank goodness we are burning up all those poults and nests in the spring. Otherwise, we'd be completely overrun with turkeys and then we'd have to start massacring tons of hens, so the gobblers wouldnt work themselves to death and stress themselves trying to breed them all. Turkey rut would have to go on for 12 months out of the year just to get all those hens bred. Then we'd be arguing how many eggs in a clutch were gobblers and hens and does a hen drop a 50/50 ratio in a successful nest. Like I said, glad we are spring burning to keep the population in check, otherwise, turkeys would be taking over like the hogs are.

Here's a question, why are hogs so successful in their dispersal as they continue to expand exponentially across the state. If roads stop deer range expansion, why do they not seem to be slowing the hogs down in a similar manner?????

The hogs are much faster and smarter. More quicker and agile like ninjas. I’ve never seen a dead hog on the interstate

You have issues. My guess is you would start an argument with a rock, keep going until that rock finally wore away from weathering, and then claim victory.

I have 405 acres here by my house in a long rectangle. A highway cuts across the top corner making a 40 acre triangle on the north end. That 40 acres is INFESTED with hogs and has been for 5 years. So far not a single hog has been seen, on camera, or any sign on the rest of the lease. It is strange

I think its CTE from his high school RB glory days

Most definitely.

😂, luckily he doesn’t have too as long as Aldeer is still around. Someone around here will argue that the sky isn’t blue and grass isn’t green.

Meh.......folks just get butthurt when that can't defend their position

I like CNC's posts. I may not always agree, but they get me thinking.

I review academic research and apply it to commercial applications for a living. 6 years of doing this has taught me that most of the literature wrong. Researchers publish for the sake of publishing, even when they got nothing. I'm not saying to disregard it, but don't blindly follow it either. I've hunted a few properties that were ruined by a wildlife biologist. I would like to have one come out on my land and give me advice one day, but I probably won't follow every recommendation.

Different movement patterns and reproductive rates than female deer……Pig expansion is being slowed by the amount of available habitat and hunters trapping and killing them…..There’s still a slow growth occurring ……A lot of the “jumping boundaries” of either specie is going to be impacted by the density within the bubble they exist and how much pressure is pushing outward due to maxing out carrying capacity for the limited resource. Expansion occurs during periods when resources are slim in relation to the population……Pigs seem to really expand their range in times of drought from what I’ve seen. This is when they will jump boundaries into new areas (growth)….

A good example is the pig population that exists in Macon Co south of I-85 ……The pigs are thick as fleas down the main creek drainage through the southern part of the county which bottlenecks down around Shorter where it hits the interstate……North of the interstate though are only seeing stray pigs here and there over time……What’s occurring is a function of the growth rate of the major pig population to the south……When the growth rate exceeds the number being taken out by hunters, eventually you hit a drought period when that overstock spreads outward looking for resources……You have sounders push across the interstate boundary into fairly pig free territory.

Now, these few sounders that spill over into the new territory are likely going to be heavily targeted and quickly taken out when the hunters who “don’t have pigs” suddenly see them on camera. In order for a true new epicenter population to form requires there to be some sounders that find places to hide from humans where they establish new populations in the next multiverse bubble. This is already happening to the north of the interstate but any pig growth is slow due to the habitat layout and ease at which their numbers are controlled compared to the population south of the interstate……That population is now inhabiting dozens and dozens of multiverse bubbles to the south

I dont follow what you mean Frankie.......either time. Maybe you're mistaking some of my rhetorical questions for actual ones.

This is what is so confusing to me about Semo's posts.......Its like he's saying....."Dont think for yourself....look to a research paper for all the answers".......To me, the lack of being able to think for yourself is one of the biggest issues we have

Let me be clear too about the deer…..Highways and interstates are not 100% complete barriers to doe expansion.....more like restricter plates. However, for it to happen you would need for one particular bubble to be rapidly expanding and pushing outward while the bubble next to ti was fairly void of females compared to available habitat. And that’s just it…..we don’t really have that happening anywhere…….there are very few bubbles “expanding” due to our doe harvest…….and for sure not to the degree of doing anything more significant than a very slight morphing of bubbles floating around each other.

There IS an amount of variance that occurs on the edges. As an example……You may be on the boundary of a bubble that has a doe population with a late Jan estrous running from about Jan 20 – Feb 4…….To the east you have a doe population dominated by does that go into estrous in early Jan…The closer to the boundary you get, the more likely you are to get a small amount of that spill over as variance. You’ll likely have one or two strays that pop off hot in early Jan while the majority will go hot in late Jan…These are does from the other herd that have pushed across the boundary.

However, these does will never be anything other than a small amount of variance on the edge as long as the bubble you’re in is already filled with late Jan does. If you have 99 late Jan does and 1 early Jan doe…..the likelihood long term is that the lineage of the one with die out…..especially if it establishes a home range with a highway running through it. This pushing back and forth of doe herds against one another is what is creating that lava lamp bubble type form you see in southwest Alabama……Highways and interstate mortality just creates that line more distinctly in other areas. These are ever evolving bubbles…..again though, with few bubbles seeing any expansion…..and why we see things holding fairly constant at this point in our restocking experiment.

The yellow and grey area for example is likely just variance in the sampling occurring between the Jan and Nov doe herds with I-59 in the middle…..Keep in mind that the state’s map is not a complete true picture but just the one they are able to make from the individual sites that have been surveyed…..They are reporting the “average” conception date. If you average Jan and Nov you get a date in December……You also get some possible second estrous cycle does from the Nov area which trick some folks into thinking there are three ruts....These "variance areas" could potentially see a hodge podge of action