Please post your research findings that support this theory. Thanks.

He can't.

Are you asking me or Josh? Do you know the difference in a question and a theory?

I disagree.

Clem,

Get over it. Just because you're ignoring people does NOT mean they have to quit posting on your threads.

Thats cool we all can not agree on everything.

wmd,

I think you may see the intolerant attitude I have been referring to.

It's dividing our state's hunters and making us vulnerable to attacks from all sorts of other anti-hunting groups... not just QDMA, AWF and ALFA, but some that want to destroy our right to hunt with one blow instead of a little bit at a time.

Here are the numbers going back to 1985. I added trend lines to make it easier. As you can see the total number of hunters has been trending downward since 1999 (not just since the dog hunting and 3 buck limit issues). Total number of deer killed has been trending down since 2003-2004. Total number of bucks killed per hunter has been trending down since 2000 (again not since the 3 buck limit although there was a decrease that year. The doe harvest peaked in 2005-2006 but look at the trend BEFORE QDM became more prevalent. 49r this goes completely against what you have said about QDM being about shooting every doe. If that was the case you would have seen a HUGE increase in 2008.

I also found it interesting that the larger drops in harvest numbers coincided with the economic issues that have effected 90% of us. Did the 3 buck limit affect buck harvest per person? YES but I believe economic conditions played a part as well. Since 2008 the trend on buck harvest is moving back up so the next two years will tell us if it has had a long term impact on shooting bucks in general.

I find it hilarious He asks a question then continues to post
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everytime someone he "doesn't like" posts something! Everyone on his ignore list: post as much as possible on his threads! His replys will look like this:

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I swear I think he's 8

49er,

Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly because I believe I agree with you. Decisions to limit the amount of bucks killed per hunter was made to provide for a healthier herd ie, age structure and buck/doe ratio etc. etc. and the state could not provide any sound scientific data that it even knew what the age structure and buck/doe ratios were.

I agree, how can a department impose regulations to achieve their so called goal and they have no idea what their starting point is.

Swamper,


Follow what I said carefully. You will see that Dan Moultrie was discounting the theories presented earlier in the meeting that our sex ratios were badly skewed on the side of does.

His calculations revealed that even a 4:1 ratio would have been impossible to exist at the time because we were killing more bucks than was mathematically possible with a 4:1 ratio. Earlier discussions in the meeting had defininately included buck/doe ratios as one of the factors to be addressed by the proposed buck restrictions.

You are understanding me correctly. Neither the deer study committee nor the leaders of the WFF Div. could provide that information. The WFF leaders did not want the restrictions.

Review the minutes of the May, 2007 CAB meeting, and you will see that neither Steve Ditchkoff or Gary Moody could tell the board members what the estimated buck/doe ratio or male age structure was at the time of the meeting when they were asked.



Age structure:

[no answer given about Alabama's current age structure]

The meeting was long and it takes time, but here's the link if you want to read it for yourself:

Minutes May, 2007


Here's part of what Gary Mood said:

page 73


Gary Moody was right.

Guys, he already has his opinion made up. Then he tries to set everyone up on what he What he wants to argue about so he can declare himself the winner. I've seen a lot of children do the same thing. One of ya'll can quote all of us he has ignored so he he see our very important opinions.

He doesn't like anyone that wins a point against him.

Good for Dan. Either way he voted. I don't think ratios should have ever been part of the equation inmho for what it is worth.

9er, you say the three buck limit has divided up Alabama's hunters. Well, the group of killers you've aligned yourself with is a dying breed. You hate it but conservation, game mgmt, consideration, restraint, discipline, preservation, diversified and broad-based hunting enjoyment (taking pride in the entire aspect of game mgmt and hunting), etc... is gaining momentum.

The hunter who brags that he killed 8-10 bucks last year is now looked upon as a greedy idiot and the hunter who states that he passed up several immature bucks and killed one or two good mature bucks is looked upon with respect. And oh, that same man let his young son shoot a 2.5 yr old 8 pt and celebrated it! But he's slowly starting to teach his young son about conservation and trigger restraint and deer mgmt! And about habitat enhancement and about farming and soil and what he can do individually to make things better for the next generation!

Once again...I haven't seen 49er say anything about killing all the deer. He says it should be site specific. I don't know why you keep saying such nonsense.

Secondly, what you just said about management and trigger restraint is exactly what I have been saying and 49er too. All that was taking place before a 3 buck limit and is continuing now. All the limit did was place an arbitrary limit that is too much for some instances and too little for others. What you just said is exactly why a 3 buck limit was not and is not needed.

I can't understand why you keep saying this. QDM is supposed to be about site specific management decisions. 49er is simply asking for maximum freedom to make those decisions.

The perception though is that anyone who is against the 3 buck limit were the same ones that shot 10 bucks a year. Just out of curiosity jlccoffee how many did you kill before the 3 buck limit was put into place. I haven't killed 10 bucks in the past 10 years, never had an opportunity to shoot more than one good buck per year either.

The most I ever killed in Alabama in one year was 3 and I only did that one year. Most years I kill one or two here and maybe one in Georgia.