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by Mbrock. 04/28/24 09:16 PM
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/04/22 10:50 AM
12/04/22 10:50 AM
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I need to shoot lot more does at Wilcox spot - I rather buck hunt - prob take few there this year after I harv buck
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/04/22 12:38 PM
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Had 17 out back yesterday. One shooter buck and a couple small ones. Not sure the sex of all the fawns. Several mature does
LUCK:::; When presistence, dedication, perspiration and preparation meet up with opportunity!!! - - - - - - - -A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jeferson - - - - - - - -
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/04/22 12:45 PM
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I'm pretty sure I got more bucks than does...they ain't many of either but several shooters, more than any other year for me
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/04/22 12:46 PM
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Think about this next time you shoot a doe-"Which doe is going to raise the next world record?" Something to think about. I havent killed a doe in decades. Too many coyotes, cars, keeping the numbers low. BTW-I didnt kill a deer last year. Let 3 super nice bucks live another year and the results are amazing! Someone had a byline on here that said "save the little ones for the little ones."
My $0.02
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: Teacher One]
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12/04/22 12:51 PM
12/04/22 12:51 PM
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Think about this next time you shoot a doe-"Which doe is going to raise the next world record?" Something to think about. I havent killed a doe in decades. Too many coyotes, cars, keeping the numbers low. BTW-I didnt kill a deer last year. Let 3 super nice bucks live another year and the results are amazing! Someone had a byline on here that said "save the little ones for the little ones."
My $0.02 All i think about is how they gonna taste . Pretty sure there more does running around with the same genetics
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/04/22 01:09 PM
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We don’t shoot does in Clarke - but the ones that bust a hunt a lot need to get shot
I never like shooting does
Wilcox just had lots of does in general - I take a few w bow - need to take few more - just not big fan of shooting them Can’t remember last time I shot one w rifle
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/04/22 01:09 PM
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Teacher one, im not a doe killing fan. I sat in my shooting house one evening a month or so ago, saw 30 deer. One spike. Im afraid our rut is fixin to get in a mess. I wont be killing any does. I just dont enjoy it. But i have recommended to some neighbors if theyre gona shoot 2-3 deer to eat, theres plenty of does, not plenty of bucks. Weve worked hard to get our numbers up and discouraged doe killing but i think we are in a little different situation right now. I dont particularly like it but its where we are. You leave does alone it don't take but a couple years to have plenty . I used to kill 7 to 11ever year here and never saw a difference . I ain't kill nothing in three years so I bet there's a few to many now. Lol Remember , just to keep the numbers you have now you need to kill about half.
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: Frankie]
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12/04/22 01:13 PM
12/04/22 01:13 PM
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Remember , just to keep the numbers you have now you need to kill about half.
I would think that would highly dependent on recruitment rate, no??......That’s not a constant from property to property
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: CNC]
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12/04/22 01:21 PM
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Remember , just to keep the numbers you have now you need to kill about half.
I would think that would highly dependent on recruitment rate, no??......That’s not a constant from property to property I figured he had the common sense to know what I meant . I figure he saw 30 in one setting he's doing pretty good and gaining .
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: Frankie]
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12/04/22 01:42 PM
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Teacher one, im not a doe killing fan. I sat in my shooting house one evening a month or so ago, saw 30 deer. One spike. Im afraid our rut is fixin to get in a mess. I wont be killing any does. I just dont enjoy it. But i have recommended to some neighbors if theyre gona shoot 2-3 deer to eat, theres plenty of does, not plenty of bucks. Weve worked hard to get our numbers up and discouraged doe killing but i think we are in a little different situation right now. I dont particularly like it but its where we are. You leave does alone it don't take but a couple years to have plenty . I used to kill 7 to 11ever year here and never saw a difference . I ain't kill nothing in three years so I bet there's a few to many now. Lol Remember , just to keep the numbers you have now you need to kill about half. I ain't shot a doe in 10 years and I may see 20 deer a year, luckily more bucks than does
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/04/22 01:44 PM
12/04/22 01:44 PM
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Teacher one, im not a doe killing fan. I sat in my shooting house one evening a month or so ago, saw 30 deer. One spike. Im afraid our rut is fixin to get in a mess. I wont be killing any does. I just dont enjoy it. But i have recommended to some neighbors if theyre gona shoot 2-3 deer to eat, theres plenty of does, not plenty of bucks. Weve worked hard to get our numbers up and discouraged doe killing but i think we are in a little different situation right now. I dont particularly like it but its where we are. That’s a problem. Not desirable. Every time a trigger is pulled a management decision is made. EVERY time. You can not manage deer without doe harvest. It’s impossible. Buck mortality is considerably higher than doe mortality if you completely take hunting out of the equation. The rigors of rut, fighting, stress, and highway mortality takes more bucks than most people think, even in the south. Add hunting related mortality to a herd that’s skewed heavily in favor of does and you have a never ending cycle of long drawn out ruts, low buck recruitment and retention, and stressed deer. There are people who think saving does attracts bucks and that’s the way to manage deer. Well it’s not. I hate to burst so many bubbles. That’s an awful way to manage deer and quite honestly is counterproductive to having a healthier more reproductively successful population. It adds increased breeding pressure and stress to bucks and prolongs the breeding season. That type of management can actually lead to lower recruitment. But hey, I killed a big one on that herd of does. It’s worth it. 😂 Peoplr have a misconception that deer breed like cattle. Get cattle as far away from deer management as you can. They are not the same. One buck can not breed multiple does in the time frame he’s given without, often irreversible, side effects. I joke, but really, having a population heavily weighted in favor of does is bad. It can be corrected but takes work. Jwalker, might I ask why you are not in favor of killing does? Is it because you think you’ll lower the population? Is it too much work? Requesting neighbors to take care of a problem you all share is not going to help. You need to kill some deer. And you all, as a community, need to lay off buck harvest. They are getting shot. You may not think they are, and all your neighbors may not be honest, but they’re getting shot.
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/04/22 01:47 PM
12/04/22 01:47 PM
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Frankie
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Wasnt long ago our numbers were dropping but everyone was killing does. It was pretty hard to get them to stop. Theres more deer here than ive ever seen so its time to change strategy a little. We dont need a five month long rut Imo , you fighting a losing battle. Long as you have late born does you gonna have 5 month rut . Doe ant gonna breed till she's ready even you got two buck to ever doe
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Re: Too many does, not enough bucks
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/04/22 01:52 PM
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I don’t trap In Wilcox caise I got so many does - dogs get some plus I can’t turkey hunt it
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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