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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: Hammertime7v2]
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11/08/22 10:13 AM
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hunterbuck
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As a couple of others have said, you need someone in charge of booking travel.
Whether it's a travel agent who will book travel inside your expectations, or if it's not too many people, you handle it yourself.
What's being allowed currently is not acceptable.
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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: Clem]
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11/08/22 11:15 AM
11/08/22 11:15 AM
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Posts: 25,132 Guntersville, AL
IDOT
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Just started a new job with a new company and have hourly employees reporting to me who are being asked to travel for company purposes (cycle counts at third party warehouses).
Company policy (in line with FLSA) is that they are paid their standard hours on travel days (8 hrs) unless they do actual work beyond that for that day. However, travel time (outside miles and food reimbursement) is only qualified for paid hours for the 8-hr standard work schedule (assuming they do no other work before/during/after travel on that day).
I've got an employee who's been with the company for 25+ years and watches the clock by the second. This person booked a really awkward/inconvenient flight so that the travel time is 15 hours instead of what could have been a 6 hour direct flight. The employee is raising cane because they aren't going to be paid for the 14 hours...only the 6 (inclusive of travel time to airport).
Further, she's taking two newer employees with her who she's coached to do the same thing. The more experienced employee was trying to scare me into caving, saying of the hours weren't paid, the newer employees wouldn't go on the cycle count. I meet with them today.
I think what's really happening here is that the experiences employee wants to get paid 8 hours of overtime for sitting on a plane.
I'm thinking about pulling up the direct flight options in the meeting with employees and asking them why they feel the need to make a 6 hour direct flight trip into a 14 hour one that requires getting up at 3AM.
How do yalls companies handle travel policy for hourly employees? Unless it's in the travel policy that employees are to take the most direct flight, less time-consuming flight and/or less expensive flight, you'll either have to dig in and hold fast or let it go this time and update the travel policy. Common sense and logic isn't used by most folks to begin with, and especially if they can make $$$ on overtime. She knows this and deliberately booked the longer flight. You're the boss. Dig in or let it go this time and update the policy. Additionally, if I travel for company time they're either paying me or I'm taking time off. My time is valuable. I don't travel on my time for them. But I also wouldn't book a 15-hour flight when a direct is possible. Another also ... Goatkiller's mention of having someone book travel for the office is good. If your office travels a lot, hammerhead, you might want to suggest that. Hire someone experienced in it or contract with a travel agency. All good points by Clem. On a side note, the person that took 15hrs is doing one of the following: -Gaming your policy -Taking advantage of the fact there is no policy -Untrained on how to book flights Ultimately, it’s on you and your shoulders to correct it. Apologize to the employees for not having a clear travel policy and then do the following: -Review Policy and make changes -Train your employees on the new policy -Advise on what happens if policy isn’t followed
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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: Hammertime7v2]
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11/08/22 11:37 AM
11/08/22 11:37 AM
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TexasHuntress
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Have you checked to see what the cost difference is in airfare between the one she chose and the one that is the most direct/faster?
Granted, she may be looking to add some OT in, but it could be that she chose the least expensive option as well.
But in the long run it sounds like the company should be making the travel arrangements instead of letting the employees do so.
If you live to be a hundred, I want to live to be a hundred minus one day, so I never have to live without you.---Winnie the Pooh
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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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11/08/22 12:44 PM
11/08/22 12:44 PM
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All of our flights are booked by one person (corporate travel agent). She knows to get the best deal with the least amount of travel time. Same here. Employees dont get to pick their flights. Our gal will try to get a direct flight with no layovers for us when she can.
Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching - even when doing the wrong thing is legal. Aldo Leopold .. (except when it comes to trailer tags)
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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: scrubbuck]
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11/08/22 02:37 PM
11/08/22 02:37 PM
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Dustin
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Sounds like your company needs a good travel policy. ^^ That right there is #1 #2 is I'd fire anyone that would prefer to spend an extra 5 minutes in airports or airlines for any amount of money. Unless she's getting paid a few thousand dollars more for that 8 hours then she needs to be fired for stupidity, questionable character, possible insanity, and treason. I am certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that woman puts sugar in her cornbread and whistles.
Don't let life get in the way of living
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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: Hammertime7v2]
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11/08/22 02:57 PM
11/08/22 02:57 PM
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Usually, our company books the flights for hourly employees. Salary books their own.
If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.-Mark Twain
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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: Hammertime7v2]
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11/08/22 06:25 PM
11/08/22 06:25 PM
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Regardless of any other circumstances. I'd fire that employee for trying to corrupt two new employees. I'd do it in front of all three so the two that are new understand the repercussions. I couldn't care less about the details, but a bad apple will spoil others. That one would go on principle and immediately.
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: IDOT]
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11/08/22 07:51 PM
11/08/22 07:51 PM
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Posts: 3,852 Cullman, AL
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Just started a new job with a new company and have hourly employees reporting to me who are being asked to travel for company purposes (cycle counts at third party warehouses).
Company policy (in line with FLSA) is that they are paid their standard hours on travel days (8 hrs) unless they do actual work beyond that for that day. However, travel time (outside miles and food reimbursement) is only qualified for paid hours for the 8-hr standard work schedule (assuming they do no other work before/during/after travel on that day).
I've got an employee who's been with the company for 25+ years and watches the clock by the second. This person booked a really awkward/inconvenient flight so that the travel time is 15 hours instead of what could have been a 6 hour direct flight. The employee is raising cane because they aren't going to be paid for the 14 hours...only the 6 (inclusive of travel time to airport).
Further, she's taking two newer employees with her who she's coached to do the same thing. The more experienced employee was trying to scare me into caving, saying of the hours weren't paid, the newer employees wouldn't go on the cycle count. I meet with them today.
I think what's really happening here is that the experiences employee wants to get paid 8 hours of overtime for sitting on a plane.
I'm thinking about pulling up the direct flight options in the meeting with employees and asking them why they feel the need to make a 6 hour direct flight trip into a 14 hour one that requires getting up at 3AM.
How do yalls companies handle travel policy for hourly employees? Unless it's in the travel policy that employees are to take the most direct flight, less time-consuming flight and/or less expensive flight, you'll either have to dig in and hold fast or let it go this time and update the travel policy. Common sense and logic isn't used by most folks to begin with, and especially if they can make $$$ on overtime. She knows this and deliberately booked the longer flight. You're the boss. Dig in or let it go this time and update the policy. Additionally, if I travel for company time they're either paying me or I'm taking time off. My time is valuable. I don't travel on my time for them. But I also wouldn't book a 15-hour flight when a direct is possible. Another also ... Goatkiller's mention of having someone book travel for the office is good. If your office travels a lot, hammerhead, you might want to suggest that. Hire someone experienced in it or contract with a travel agency. All good points by Clem. On a side note, the person that took 15hrs is doing one of the following: -Gaming your policy -Taking advantage of the fact there is no policy -Untrained on how to book flights Ultimately, it’s on you and your shoulders to correct it. Apologize to the employees for not having a clear travel policy and then do the following: -Review Policy and make changes -Train your employees on the new policy -Advise on what happens if policy isn’t followed After all of this is done she becomes my prime traveler, provided she can do the job. Keep her on the road with a close eye on her. You will have to keep a close eye anyway, so she might as well be on the road. She will get her dose of it and it might make her appreciative instead of overly greedy. I doubt the last part but worth a shot.
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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: bama_earl]
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11/08/22 08:43 PM
11/08/22 08:43 PM
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Posts: 2,257 Tuscaloosa
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I would pay them the 14hrs and change my policy. Fighting it will cause you more problems in the long run. He is able to stir up the others because you don't have a standard policy on this type of event.
Any flight over 6hrs needs management approval or something. X2 So your the new guy on the job and they’ve been there 25 years. Don’t come in to a new place with your chest poked out. Let it go and then change the policy
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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: Dustin]
#3783436
11/09/22 06:24 AM
11/09/22 06:24 AM
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Posts: 2,424 Prattville Al.
capehorn24
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Sounds like your company needs a good travel policy. ^^ That right there is #1 #2 is I'd fire anyone that would prefer to spend an extra 5 minutes in airports or airlines for any amount of money. Unless she's getting paid a few thousand dollars more for that 8 hours then she needs to be fired for stupidity, questionable character, possible insanity, and treason. I am certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that woman puts sugar in her cornbread and whistles. LMAO
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Re: Travel Policy for Work
[Re: Hammertime7v2]
#3783826
11/09/22 04:59 PM
11/09/22 04:59 PM
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Posts: 3,344 Demop
1bamashooter
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8hrs if traveling on an off day 12hrs if it's one of your scheduled work days. The company will have to start booking the flights if you want this to stop.
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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