Below are NATO maps from 1990 to now. If there was an anti-American alliance moving in on us like this, we would obliterate every city. I'm not siding with Russia, but when you do this to a nation, don't be surprised when they lash out. Also keep in mind these maps predate Turkey joining. That was a big deal.

The great stupidity is that we have been backing them into a corner while simultaneously increasing our dependence on them.

What is victory in Ukraine? Is there a plan? Dumping weapons on poor people to solve our problems hasn't worked in the past.

its hard to give "nato expansion" any merit, when their actions for the last hundred years (really more) is anything different than what they're doing now. Take a look for yourself and you'll be surprised just how many conflicts,revolution,wars they've been involved in. I'm sure they had "reasons" for all them incidents too. if not, then they would orchestrate reasons. Nothing about them, gives me the impression they're the victims in all this. War is bad enough, but any country who utilizes terror in their TTP, doesn't get to play the victim card with me. Dang sure not my countries enemy.

Hey red
https://twitter.com/apmassaro3/status/1554426454162784256

I never said Russia was morally equivalent. It doesn't mean they enjoy being surrounded by the enemy, basic animal instincts are involved here.

Morals don't win wars, they're a disadvantage. It's one reason we loose all of our wars these days. Never having a plan is the main problem though.

One mistake we often make in the west is to think everyone else thinks like us. People in Eastern Europe aren't yearning for freedom and prosperity, they are looking for a strongman to kill the people they don't like. That's just Eastern Europe being Eastern Europe. You've cited more instances of this above than my dumb ass knows about. Not much different than the Middle East.

The war of attrition to come will kill millions on both sides. Russians are better conditioned for this than the Eurofags. Have you met any young men from Western Europe recently? They make our male feminists look like Rambo.

Ukraine is our ally for now, but these weapons will likely be used against us one day. If nothing else, many of them will end up in the black market.

thats a very good rebuttal red. American's think the world is like Rocky 4 but its more like Lord of War. We're fortunate to have a geographic barrier that insulates us from alot of the worlds atrocities. Do you know of any other European leaders who annexed their border regions to liberate their oppressed countrymen, they also kept expanding, crushing all in their way, all the while, setting up filtration camps?
They're the only ones who gave Russ a run for their money. Russ would of surely succumb to them if it wasn't for America and our Lend/Lease. They showed their appreciation by arming all our enemies from that point on, lol. I guess it keeps our spears sharp and our shields strong. I think when we see these "wars" its more of a sparring match than an actual fight. Well, except for the poor souls doing the dying.

There is only ~4 more months to push out the Russians. After than winter will punch EU (Germany) in its vagina. Putin will stop the flow of gas for 2 days, and Germany will be screaming to let Russia have what it wants to prevent people from freezing to death.

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