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Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711719
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Not a theory. The Bible commands abortion.

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Originally Posted by hawndog
Not a theory. The Bible commands abortion.

Well that's a new one on me


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Originally Posted by hawndog
Not a theory. The Bible commands abortion.


I wasn’t going to feed the troll but I have to exemplify your ignorance on this.

First if you look at the exegesis of the scriptures you quoted at no point was “command” used.

Second, you’re using scripture from the book of Numbers. Numbers is the book in which we see how the tribes of Israel were accounted for. It’s also in a time that falls under ceremonial law. The New Testament (New Covenant with the death and Resurrection of Jesus) frees us from this ceremonial law. That in itself, you’re own quote from scripture, then states that this practice is no more.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711730
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Let's say God lists Abortion as a sin, such as divorce, or cheating on your spouse. But that does not mean it should be illegal. If a handful of states make it illegal then you are going to see an explosion in abortions. It will have the reverse affect of preventing more abortions. Abortion is really underground, there are a few clinics in al ot of states and they don't advertise.

But you are going to see pro-choice groups rise up and have free transportation, free room and board, counseling, etc to those who wish to have an abortion. Same with drugs.... its about to explode.

I do not support abortion and would encourage the woman to chose a different path... but making it illegal is about to blow up in the face of the pro-choice movement.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: hawndog] #3711740
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Originally Posted by hawndog
Not a theory. The Bible commands abortion.


No it doesn't. You're butchering the context and are waaayyy off base.

Mathew Henry's commentary on Numbers 5 especially vs 18-24 gives a very good explanation of it.

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Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711744
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Someone that knows the Bible through and through and “spins” the word to their belief is worse than an atheist…


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Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: bama_earl] #3711745
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Originally Posted by bama_earl
Let's say God lists Abortion as a sin, such as divorce, or cheating on your spouse. But that does not mean it should be illegal. If a handful of states make it illegal then you are going to see an explosion in abortions. It will have the reverse affect of preventing more abortions. Abortion is really underground, there are a few clinics in al ot of states and they don't advertise.

But you are going to see pro-choice groups rise up and have free transportation, free room and board, counseling, etc to those who wish to have an abortion. Same with drugs.... its about to explode.

I do not support abortion and would encourage the woman to chose a different path... but making it illegal is about to blow up in the face of the pro-choice movement.


I couldn't disagree more earl. It's an abomination and demonic. It's the worship of Molech all over again.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711748
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Numbers 5 never says that the woman is pregnant.

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Originally Posted by jono23
Numbers 5 never says that the woman is pregnant.


It also gives the woman the opportunity to come clean before drinking the water, and also gives the one who was unjustly accused the opportunity to drink it to prove her innocence. Sometimes I wonder how people get what they get from scripture.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: BPI] #3711786
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Originally Posted by BPI
Originally Posted by jono23
Numbers 5 never says that the woman is pregnant.


It also gives the woman the opportunity to come clean before drinking the water, and also gives the one who was unjustly accused the opportunity to drink it to prove her innocence. Sometimes I wonder how people get what they get from scripture.


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Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711789
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I've heard stories of what goes on in abortion clinics and it's horrible

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711793
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Your right It does not say she is pregnant. However it is not possible for someone who is not pregnant to miscarriage.

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Abortion = BAAL worship.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: hawndog] #3711803
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Originally Posted by hawndog
Your right It does not say she is pregnant. However it is not possible for someone who is not pregnant to miscarriage.


The bible doesn't command it hawndog. That statement that the bible commands it ain't got a leg to stand on.

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Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: bama_earl] #3711804
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Originally Posted by bama_earl
Let's say God lists Abortion as a sin, such as divorce, or cheating on your spouse. But that does not mean it should be illegal. If a handful of states make it illegal then you are going to see an explosion in abortions. It will have the reverse affect of preventing more abortions. Abortion is really underground, there are a few clinics in al ot of states and they don't advertise.

But you are going to see pro-choice groups rise up and have free transportation, free room and board, counseling, etc to those who wish to have an abortion. Same with drugs.... its about to explode.

I do not support abortion and would encourage the woman to chose a different path... but making it illegal is about to blow up in the face of the pro-choice movement.


Divorce is not a sin if its for adultery or abandonment.

And your logic sux. Basically, we shouldn't make something that is morally wrong a crime, because that would make more people do it??? REALLY???

Let's see. Let's make the following illegal to cut down on crime.

Murder, rape, assualt, theft.... oh wait they they already tried that in some cities..... and the result was more crime.

Re: Abortion in the Bible [Re: Frankie] #3711810
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Read it however you want. It describes how a priest to give an abortion. If you don't want to call that a command then fine.

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Originally Posted by hawndog
Read it however you want. It describes how a priest to give an abortion. If you don't want to call that a command then fine.


You're using a test for adultery as a command for abortion. I don't know what translation you're quoting, but those closest to the original don't mention "miscarriage" and they certainly don't command and abortion.

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Originally Posted by bama_earl
Let's say God lists Abortion as a sin, such as divorce, or cheating on your spouse. But that does not mean it should be illegal. If a handful of states make it illegal then you are going to see an explosion in abortions. It will have the reverse affect of preventing more abortions. Abortion is really underground, there are a few clinics in al ot of states and they don't advertise.

But you are going to see pro-choice groups rise up and have free transportation, free room and board, counseling, etc to those who wish to have an abortion. Same with drugs.... its about to explode.

I do not support abortion and would encourage the woman to chose a different path... but making it illegal is about to blow up in the face of the pro-choice movement.


Divorce is not a sin if its for adultery or abandonment.

And your logic sux. Basically, we shouldn't make something that is morally wrong a crime, because that would make more people do it??? REALLY???

Let's see. Let's make the following illegal to cut down on crime.

Murder, rape, assualt, theft.... oh wait they they already tried that in some cities..... and the result was more crime.


You are right, Divorce is not a sin if its adultery or abandonment. But making it illegal is not the right approach to prevent abortions... it's going to increase abortions. Example: Alabama makes abortion illegal. But Florida and Georgia make it legal. What is going to happen is liberals will have buses in every region of Alabama to transport women to states that offer abortion, the funds being donated to support women's rights will also spike. All this leads to more abortions not less.

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Originally Posted by bama_earl
You are right, Divorce is not a sin if its adultery or abandonment. But making it illegal is not the right approach to prevent abortions... it's going to increase abortions. Example: Alabama makes abortion illegal. But Florida and Georgia make it legal. What is going to happen is liberals will have buses in every region of Alabama to transport women to states that offer abortion, the funds being donated to support women's rights will also spike. All this leads to more abortions not less.


For your assumption to be true, women who would not have abortions if they were legal will decide to have abortions because they are made illegal. Is that your argument?

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Originally Posted by hawndog
Read it however you want. It describes how a priest to give an abortion. If you don't want to call that a command then fine.


It's not a command because I don't want it to be, it's not a command because the bible is clear on it that it isn't.. It was a consequence of not repenting while willingly breaking the law. Mile wide difference there . And I'm not reading it however I wanted. I'm reading it in the context it was written in. What I want doesn't matter.

The end result was the death of the unborn due to the mothers disobedience. Sin = death.

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