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When You Kill The Last One
#3681758
06/01/22 10:24 AM
06/01/22 10:24 AM
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Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 2,289 Spanish Fort
Jstocks
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Figured I’d post a little story here. Nothing to start a debate, and I’m going to stick to facts. None of what will be here is my opinion, it’s all what I know to be truth.
I grew up in Southern Mississippi and for the most part lived my life surrounded by woods out the back door. To this day, there have only been a few houses added to this immediate area, and only 3 of which would effect the subject of turkey (2 by which would occupy space where turkeys were, and 1 that would occupy by visual space from a distance of 300 yards or more only).
Layout of the land is 80 acres owned jointly by 2 families, and which this land joins immediately to the north approximately 1800 acres of mixed farmland in 1989 to now pines and fields that are not farmed. All this property joins continuous swampland that stretches over 30k acres and crosses state lines between Ms and La and is know as Bogue Chitto National Wildlife Refuge. Some of the 1800 acres on the west side of what we called the big lake has been developed, so for sake of argument we will say the 1800 is more like 1k acres.
The area behind my house was known for having turkeys, my great grandfather had hunted them with his uncle there all the way back in the 1930’s. I know this because before he passed he gave he his uncle’s caller and told me himself. His uncle is the only member of my family that I know of that hunted them. I’m 1989 there were 2 turkeys gobbling behind the house I grew up in, and these were killed that spring by someone my dad ran hounds with.
To my knowledge, there has not been a turkey gobble in that area since 1989. No gobblers have been spotted, although I have over the years seen flocks of hens at times in the fields only during the late Spring and Summer months. There have been turkeys gobble on and in the area west of Palestine road, but the area that compromised where I lived…the area that had held turkeys through the darkest times of the turkeys, and much of which had been left unchanged in swamp forest that bordered fields with pasture with very little additional human intrusion. This area has to be very near to 3 if not 4K acres.
The changes that took place during the time of the last known turkey to me was the farmland north and east of our home was allowed to grow up and become thick while the rest of the farmland was continued to be managed the same. Coyotes came on the seen around 1983 or so was when my Dad remembered seeing the first one that his foxhounds ran through the bean fields, so they had become a regular presence by the time of 1989. The lack of a mature gobbler after the last 2 were killed that spring, even though hens have been visible at times since then. Katrina destroyed a lot of habitat in 2005.
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Re: When You Kill The Last One
[Re: Jstocks]
#3681835
06/01/22 12:02 PM
06/01/22 12:02 PM
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sj22
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Interesting. You’d think seeing the hens from time to time that there’d be one gobbling around somewhere.
I live a half mile off a county rd and in the 15 years I’ve been there I’ve only heard a 3-4 turkeys from my house, never killed one. There’s several hundred acres of a good mix of timber with several creeks and probably 100 acres of hay fields, everytime someone new comes over that turkey hunts they always say I bet you got turkeys everywhere and they swear I’m lying when I say we don’t. You can go just a few miles in any direction and find birds but for whatever reason they don’t hang around our place no matter what I do to get em there.
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Re: When You Kill The Last One
[Re: Jstocks]
#3681941
06/01/22 02:44 PM
06/01/22 02:44 PM
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TDog93
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About the flooding - one of the best turkey properties I ever had in my life was in Marengo county in the 90s bordering a large creek - first year I was in it - I worked birds first 18 hunts I went on - could hav been tagged out in first 10 days but I called in few for friend they could not see bird but I could but let them walk off. Later I developed a no walk off policy. Called in like 30 birds first 3 weeks. Very next year - called in like 30 first 2 weeks of season - we shot something like 4 birds first 6 hunts. That next fall I was seeing flocks of 40 - more than I ever had in Feb. Place flooded real bad on Feb of that year. Only a few old named birds stayed around that spring- worked my butt off to kill 1 bird - many years straight the turkey hunting there sucked - after I left I heard they still struggle for years - flood changed where they stayed Here is story within a story - I was teaching a guy on that place - it was a paradise pre flood and we were only ones hunting. I said whatever u do - never tell somebody bout our success - after first year - multiple people wanting to hunt and some were mad we were out there so much. We still had good year. Only way those club members new was by my buddy running his mouth. Found out my buddy bragged - he said - never dreamed it work out like this. I said - why u think I went into so much detail to keep mouth shut. The hunting never fell off until major flood and we were getting huge flocks week before flood. Place was under water for weeks - was tremendous place for few years
Here is another story w in a story - I learned this the hard way - if u killing birds all time and hav major success - realize it all about having turkeys and it starts w that. I hav since tagged out on very tuff public land and had great success all across the country - but I learned at that one really great spot - it is all about having turkeys! U can b best turkey hunter in world - if u got bad spots - gone hav bad season. I will be both humble and greatful and silent if I ever get another good turkey spot
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: When You Kill The Last One
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
#3682603
06/02/22 02:55 PM
06/02/22 02:55 PM
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Posts: 15,862 Elmore County
Frankie
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Old Mossy Horns
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If you are seeing hens, I think it's a pretty safe bet that there is a gobbler around somewhere. There can't be any hens without gobblers doing their part. Yeah , not always true . Lol Hens , some hens will lay and hatch without a Tom around
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Re: When You Kill The Last One
[Re: Jstocks]
#3682620
06/02/22 03:26 PM
06/02/22 03:26 PM
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Posts: 15,356 Ourtown, AL
BCLC
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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I did some reading on that yesterday evening after you posted it and must say, I was absolutely fascinated.
We’re not dead. We just smell that way. Dayum. - AC870
Yessir! I’m always gonna shoot what makes me happy and I want everyone else to do the same! If you shoot one be proud of it and don’t worry what anyone else thinks. - SJ22
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Re: When You Kill The Last One
[Re: duxlayer]
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06/02/22 07:47 PM
06/02/22 07:47 PM
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Posts: 15,862 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Parthenogenesis in vertebrates is very rare . Insects and reptiles would do it more readily than a warm blooded animal . Although it is possible , the chances of it happening in a wild turkey population would be way less than 1% . All I've read is its rare . Never read what the chances of it happening were . It reads that several things can cause it just having no males around may cause it . Could be why restocking turkey population were so successful.
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Re: When You Kill The Last One
[Re: Frankie]
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06/03/22 07:27 AM
06/03/22 07:27 AM
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poorcountrypreacher
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If you are seeing hens, I think it's a pretty safe bet that there is a gobbler around somewhere. There can't be any hens without gobblers doing their part. Yeah , not always true . Lol Hens , some hens will lay and hatch without a Tom around Er, how did the hens come into existence if there are no gobblers to be their daddies? . That was my point. Gobblers move around a lot during the spring. I have been amazed watching the turkeys around my house at how quickly a gobbler gets replaced. They tell us that the average range of a spring gobbler is 2500 acres. That isn't going to be a square block; it will be irregular and stretch for many miles. If you are seeing hens, there are gobblers somewhere around. The closest one might be 5 miles away at any specific time, but the fact that you don't see him doesn't mean that he isn't there.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: When You Kill The Last One
[Re: Jstocks]
#3683165
06/03/22 03:26 PM
06/03/22 03:26 PM
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TurkeyJoe
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When a turkey makes up his mind to be somewhere, he walks at least as fast as a man. How far you reckon you could walk in a day? Dang Rios make a lot more than 12 miles a day in my opinion.
Micah 6:8
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Re: When You Kill The Last One
[Re: TurkeyJoe]
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06/03/22 04:45 PM
06/03/22 04:45 PM
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Posts: 9,383 Northwest Bama
Ridge Life
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When a turkey makes up his mind to be somewhere, he walks at least as fast as a man. How far you reckon you could walk in a day? Dang Rios make a lot more than 12 miles a day in my opinion. I’ve walked 7-10 miles in the hills of Bankhead several times. I know a turkey can put me to shame..
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Re: When You Kill The Last One
[Re: Jstocks]
#3683557
06/04/22 11:35 AM
06/04/22 11:35 AM
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Posts: 7,529 Boaz,AL
CarbonClimber1
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One day..awhile from now..we gonna look back through the years..nobody..had any idea about about nothin..bein talked about ..anything..anywhere..anyway..no how..our knowledge we think we have is gonna look like a carbonclimber runon sentence..then it will be realized..maybe we wudnt smart as we thought we wuz
"I dont quit.. And ill fight alone if i have to"
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