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by Mbrock. 04/28/24 09:16 PM
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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05/07/22 07:38 PM
05/07/22 07:38 PM
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Coosa1
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I don’t think y’all are getting the big picture. The season change was not designed for hunter satisfaction. It was designed to allow less turkeys to be killed early with no loss to overall revenue. I haven’t checked the numbers in fake check but I’d say it probably accomplished what it was designed to do. Yeah but we know all of that dominant gobbler stuff that Sykes and Chamberlain try to shove down our throats is complete bullchit. Poor habitat management, increasing numbers of predators, and the timber industry do more damage to turkey numbers than hunters ever will.
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: Frankie]
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05/07/22 07:39 PM
05/07/22 07:39 PM
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Forrestgump1
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I don’t think y’all are getting the big picture. The season change was not designed for hunter satisfaction. It was designed to allow less turkeys to be killed early with no loss to overall revenue. I haven’t checked the numbers in fake check but I’d say it probably accomplished what it was designed to do. Which is easier to kill , a henned up Tom or a lonely one ? A gobbling one. There’s no one size fits all in this. By the end of April turkeys around Montgomery are about done. Up in north Alabama I’m sure theres benefit to the may season. Season could probably start first of March around here.
Last edited by Forrestgump1; 05/07/22 07:45 PM.
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: AC870]
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05/07/22 07:44 PM
05/07/22 07:44 PM
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A Jake can be hard to call in if he with hens - no I don’t shoot jakes - but Henned up is a kick in the nuts - lonely means he alone and looking = opportunity. I hav killed them with hens - killed one in TN w over 20 hens w a bow this year - but rather not hav to deal w henned up tom Lonely = ideal - never found that this year
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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05/07/22 08:02 PM
05/07/22 08:02 PM
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. It was designed to allow less turkeys to be killed early . And they were killed just the same. Pre season hunters wins, honest hunter lost. And virtually zero enforcement to keep it from happening.
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: Frankie]
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05/08/22 12:27 AM
05/08/22 12:27 AM
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I don’t think y’all are getting the big picture. The season change was not designed for hunter satisfaction. It was designed to allow less turkeys to be killed early with no loss to overall revenue. I haven’t checked the numbers in fake check but I’d say it probably accomplished what it was designed to do. Which is easier to kill , a henned up Tom or a lonely one ? One that knows there are some hens out there that are ready for breeding but doesn’t know which one is ready yet.
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: AC870]
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05/08/22 06:19 AM
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I can live with the dates but quit taking days to hunt away from me. This 2 of 4 off the same wma and 1 the first 10 days are the laws that make mad.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: AC870]
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05/08/22 07:03 AM
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If he dont ever gobble and u n woods and not huge open fields - he gonna be kind of hard to find - heck yea I care if he gobbles - 0 chance if he don’t if u can’t see him - gets like deer hunting and I only do that n deer season
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: Coosa1]
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05/08/22 08:42 AM
05/08/22 08:42 AM
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I say let’s drag Sykes out of his office and revoke his hunting privileges for life. Screw him and screw the CAB. I should have started hunting on March 15 when they were actually gobbling.
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: AC870]
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05/08/22 10:35 AM
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And I’m just gonna say having season end on Mother’s Day is bull$hit too. They knew there would be very few people turkey hunting today. Just one final jab at the turkey hunter. I hope the CAB and Sykes are pleased with themselves
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: AC870]
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05/08/22 10:54 AM
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Arent they doing studies on the ability of different age group gobblers to be able to successfully breed and seeing if the clutch size is affected by the age/fertility of age group of gobblers? I thought I heard that and would like to see the data if anyone knows of such a study. That would certainly help justify or disprove the need for season date changes, but didnt the season used to start at the end of may for years and years anyway before they moved it up to the 15th, then added the youth weekend even earlier?
Last edited by Ben2; 05/08/22 10:55 AM.
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: AC870]
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05/08/22 11:00 AM
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Ben the season started on March 20th and ran through April 25th for a very long time for many counties south. I believe counties further north ended April 30th. I do not know what the season dates were prior to those as they were before I started turkey hunting.
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes to us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: Avengedsevenfold]
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05/08/22 11:11 AM
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And I’m just gonna say having season end on Mother’s Day is bull$hit too. They knew there would be very few people turkey hunting today. Just one final jab at the turkey hunter. I hope the CAB and Sykes are pleased with themselves I guarantee that was never even a thought on their minds.
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: Ben2]
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05/08/22 01:53 PM
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Arent they doing studies on the ability of different age group gobblers to be able to successfully breed and seeing if the clutch size is affected by the age/fertility of age group of gobblers? I thought I heard that and would like to see the data if anyone knows of such a study. That would certainly help justify or disprove the need for season date changes, but didnt the season used to start at the end of may for years and years anyway before they moved it up to the 15th, then added the youth weekend even earlier? Seems to me that they should get the evidence and then change the seasons based on that evidence. Instead, they changed the season and then looked for evidence to support it. They have already spent millions of dollars and 5 years on studies here in AL, looking for any evidence to support their theories, and found nothing they could use. They had to justify the changes on the "opinion of experts." GA and AL both have been starting seasons later on several WMAs in the hopes that they could show higher poult production with a later season opener. But they found nothing. Zilch. This isn't about science.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: AC870]
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05/08/22 03:21 PM
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I cast my pearls before swine on that ATH Alabama Turkey Hunters Facebook page. Some idiot responded about “grown me whining.” My response was:
It ain’t whining. It’s saying we got a complete lack of leadership at the highest level in the Conservation Dept. You do realize March 20-April 30 served us well from the dark days when the state had hardly any turkeys, through the boom and into the current time? It’s the season framework we had for the longest.
And that WMA rule is an absolute travesty that only affects law-abiding hunters.
“Killing tomorrow’s trophies today.”
On the distance I like to walk to my stands: “The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It
[Re: Ben2]
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05/08/22 08:23 PM
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Arent they doing studies on the ability of different age group gobblers to be able to successfully breed and seeing if the clutch size is affected by the age/fertility of age group of gobblers? I thought I heard that and would like to see the data if anyone knows of such a study. That would certainly help justify or disprove the need for season date changes, but didnt the season used to start at the end of may for years and years anyway before they moved it up to the 15th, then added the youth weekend even earlier? Ive posted on here a couple times about the Auburn project (primarily funded by AWF and TFT among others) that is ongoing to look at gobbler fertility. Hopefully MANY of the Aldeer members collected and submitted carcasses or testes to the project so that they can see how many, what proportion of and the timing of fertile gobblers in the harvested population https://mossyoakgamekeeper.com/podcasts/?msclkid=706280e4cf3611ecb16b6c8e274a7cb4listen to episode 90
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