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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/15/22 12:16 PM
03/15/22 12:16 PM
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Clem
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Hunters want land. Any available leases will be snapped up.
It's the same reason Daiwa now has a $950 fishing reel. They know people will buy it, just like the however-many thousand dollar Garmin LiveScope and $2,000 shotguns and $4,500 rifles topped with a $2,500 scope on $150 or more rings-bases.
There's a market. It's not for everyone. Some hunters wouldn't pay the prices for whatever Westervelt leases come up, or private landowner prices. They'll hunt friends' land or public land or crappy land or quit. And some others will plunk down whatever the price is to get a lease.
Westervelt knows this. St. Joe knows or knew this. It's just simple supply and demand with a variety of price points. All of the literal decades-old carping of "It's a rich man's ..." whatever hasn't killed anything yet and never will. Someone will pay it.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/15/22 12:20 PM
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CNC
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If other companies start doing the same then its gonna cause a big ruckus amongst hunters about private lands getting to bait while public and leased dont......
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We dont rent pigs
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/15/22 12:24 PM
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Snuffy
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What Clem said. If you don’t believe it. Let your lease go, you will never get it back. It’s gone forever!
If you always do what you've always done you always get what you've always got
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: CNC]
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03/15/22 12:40 PM
03/15/22 12:40 PM
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Clem
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If other companies start doing the same then its gonna cause a big ruckus amongst hunters about private lands getting to bait while public and leased dont...... If hunters get in a twist because they can't bait on leased-public lands, find some new land to lease. Otherwise, be quiet. That's the agreement you signed. It doesn't matter what private landowners do or the DCNR does with WMA-public lands. The only thing that matters in that situation is what's in the contract you agreed to and the landowner-lessor says.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/15/22 12:46 PM
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MarkBAMA
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Just curious, with as many of us who hunt Westervelt property has anyone else received one of these letters?
ROLL TIDE !!!
Enough Said....
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: MarkBAMA]
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03/15/22 12:47 PM
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Just curious, with as many of us who hunt Westervelt property has anyone else received one of these letters? If you havent gotten the notification yet, it is coming. They didnt agree with the baiting decision to start with but went along with it when the state passed it. There was and is, no sound biological reasoning to allow baiting of deer. Political and monetary reasons yes, but biological (here in the SE United States), no. This private company made the decision to go back to the way it was and the way they had managed their property for the past 100 or so years or however long Gulf States Paper has been in business. It's their land, they can manage it however they want. If people dont like their decision, they can drop the lease and go find somewhere else to hunt. Rest assured, in today's market, it'll be leased to someone else before you hang up the phone or put your letter in the mail.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: MarkBAMA]
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03/15/22 12:48 PM
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Lockjaw
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Just curious, with as many of us who hunt Westervelt property has anyone else received one of these letters? One of the guys in my club got one yesterday.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Super Dave]
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03/15/22 12:51 PM
03/15/22 12:51 PM
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No way to stop the spread just like Rona virus. It's going to happen. When it does...... less deer equal less demand for leases equal less money for said lease. They are just trying to protect their income.
David LOL... they're still trying to locate the first deer that CWD actually killed. It's hoax... even more so than the Corona virus. So all those west and midwest states have been lying since 1997....... I had no idea. David Oh you mean the states that it's "existed in" for 40 years and they still see zero impact from it? Those Midwest states? 🤣 Please site the source where they confirm it to have killed, a whitetail, mule deer, elk... or anything for that matter. And you're damn right they've been lying. I'm sure you believe everything the media tells you too. EHD knowingly kills hundreds of 1000s of animals each year but you dont see anyone trying to stop that. CWD is laughable. And these states are going to use it to further manipulate your God given rights as a hunter. And if you don't see it... you're Hellen Keller blind.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: therealhojo]
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03/15/22 12:54 PM
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Do you think they'll ban food plots too??
They already do to some extent. They tell you where and how much you can plant. You can't just go clear a spot and plant, or burn, or spray. Actually, that is not 100% correct. They give you area's or fields that they won't disturb. You can go plant log decks and logging roads all you want. Met my new lease manager last fall, and he told me I should clear off this one side of the road opposite a field and plant it. That means they may come in there later and log the area and disturb it. My club map on their site lists 7 greenfields. I have 24. He even gave me suggestions about other ways to plant things and increase my planted acreage. I think they number I saw was they would give you 1%. Even with 24 fields, I am probably just bumping the 1% number. When they cut mine this year, I am going to try to get the loggers to cut it or run a few skidder roads that are long and go north south so I can plant them. My biggest problem is stumps. Even our skid steer guy has a tough time with some of them, and he's got a 90+ hp machine. After about 3 years, he can blaze thru them. Did you not see where I said “to some extent?” Then you go into 2 paragraphs explaining exactly “to some extent.” You still have a manager telling you what you can and can’t do. I never said they tell you you can’t l, I said they limit you. And good luck with getting those loggers to do what you want. Sure did, and I also saw where you said I couldn't just go plant an area and you are wrong. I can. I have 17 just such area's on my lease that no one asked permission to plant. We might have to do some work to make them happen, but none the less, they are planted. And when they cut me, if you think I will only add the 2 fields they are giving me and that's it, you are also wrong. But until I see what it looks like, I won't know how many. As for the loggers, one thing is certain, if I listen to you and don't ask, then the answer is for sure a no. Perhaps it costs me a few cases of beer, or some BBQ or something, but I bet they will want to help out a semi senior citizen who is out there on his subcompact tractor trying to create a deer hunting utopia......
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: teamduckdown]
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03/15/22 01:12 PM
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Super Dave
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No way to stop the spread just like Rona virus. It's going to happen. When it does...... less deer equal less demand for leases equal less money for said lease. They are just trying to protect their income.
David LOL... they're still trying to locate the first deer that CWD actually killed. It's hoax... even more so than the Corona virus. So all those west and midwest states have been lying since 1997....... I had no idea. David Oh you mean the states that it's "existed in" for 40 years and they still see zero impact from it? Those Midwest states? 🤣 Please site the source where they confirm it to have killed, a whitetail, mule deer, elk... or anything for that matter. And you're damn right they've been lying. I'm sure you believe everything the media tells you too. EHD knowingly kills hundreds of 1000s of animals each year but you dont see anyone trying to stop that. CWD is laughable. And these states are going to use it to further manipulate your God given rights as a hunter. And if you don't see it... you're Hellen Keller blind. https://www.realtree.com/brow-tines-and-backstrap/has-cwd-ever-actually-killed-a-deer#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20put%20it%20to%20you,actually%20dying%20of%20the%20disease. Article did say more deer die from other shucks due to the disease causing an animal to become weak. You know kind of like AIDS does people. Doesn't really matter if the prion causes the deer to die or it dies from a weak state, it is still a dead deer.......
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/15/22 01:27 PM
03/15/22 01:27 PM
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JustHunt
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Talked with my lease manager about it today. There will be no baiting or supplemental feeding on their property. I’m perfectly fine with it. We never baited but we did feed in off season. Just have to plant more summer fields now. Some of you act like you can’t hunt without corn. I’ve killed em for many years before all this baiting crap started. People don’t wanna learn to hunt. They just wanna sit over a pile of corn and shoot deer. That ain’t hunting.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: JustHunt]
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03/15/22 01:37 PM
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Antelope08
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Talked with my lease manager about it today. There will be no baiting or supplemental feeding on their property. I’m perfectly fine with it. We never baited but we did feed in off season. Just have to plant more summer fields now. Some of you act like you can’t hunt without corn. I’ve killed em for many years before all this baiting crap started. People don’t wanna learn to hunt. They just wanna sit over a pile of corn and shoot deer. That ain’t hunting. Agree....
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: therealhojo]
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03/15/22 01:51 PM
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FreeStateHunter
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Let’s put this into a sports theory.
Alabama season tickets. At one point there were 40,000 people in the waiting list with ticket prices going up every year. They just built new sky boxes that sold for millions. They thought it would take a few years to sell them. It took months.
Same thing will happen to these leases. To make this apples to apples those leases would need to produce record book bucks every other year, much like Alabama wins it all every other year. 130” deer and under ain’t gonna cut it There was a waiting list when Shula was there too Sure but while this is a silly argument, by the time Shula was there Alabama still had the most in the nation in national championships, bowl appearances, bowl wins and were 3rd overall in total wins. I’m in complete agreement with you all these properties will be leased, heck I personally will lease whichever ones I can get my hands on, but my point is that I believe once hunters see the rules are different on private land vs timber land the demand will eventually change, therefore changing prices. I also believe they are nearing the breaking point on cost for average joes. They’ll try to push it higher and a bunch of good uns with more money than sense will go pay $25-$35/acre to shoot dinks.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/15/22 01:55 PM
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: JustHunt]
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03/15/22 03:34 PM
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Lockjaw
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Talked with my lease manager about it today. There will be no baiting or supplemental feeding on their property. I’m perfectly fine with it. We never baited but we did feed in off season. Just have to plant more summer fields now. Some of you act like you can’t hunt without corn. I’ve killed em for many years before all this baiting crap started. People don’t wanna learn to hunt. They just wanna sit over a pile of corn and shoot deer. That ain’t hunting. They will just go sit on a green field then.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Lockjaw]
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03/15/22 10:52 PM
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JustHunt
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Talked with my lease manager about it today. There will be no baiting or supplemental feeding on their property. I’m perfectly fine with it. We never baited but we did feed in off season. Just have to plant more summer fields now. Some of you act like you can’t hunt without corn. I’ve killed em for many years before all this baiting crap started. People don’t wanna learn to hunt. They just wanna sit over a pile of corn and shoot deer. That ain’t hunting. They will just go sit on a green field then. Not quite the same as hunting over corn IMO.
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