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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/14/22 05:39 PM
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McCalla, Al
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Well should be some good deals on slightly used feeders coming soon
Let them walk ...and grow them big
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Antelope08]
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03/14/22 06:21 PM
03/14/22 06:21 PM
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Free State of Winston
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There’ll be some leases available this and next year. They’ll be some just give them up but think how many are going to try to get away with baiting and will get caught. Start saving money!!! Going to be prime land coming in the next couple of years!! I hope this does free up some in my area, I have been looking since I moved to AL, I figure some people will just give them up.....on the other hand, when they ban it on their properties and a lessee continues to do it and gets caught, I guess they will terminate the lease immediately..... Exactly, if I had to guess a lot of folks will try to get away with it and them companies are going to be running folks off with no refund and turn right around and lease it again. Go ahead and save the Westervelt search page, the getting is fiddin to get good.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/14/22 07:41 PM
03/14/22 07:41 PM
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No surprise. They were talking about this back when they started having meetings talking about CWD. What a shame.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Super Dave]
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03/14/22 08:20 PM
03/14/22 08:20 PM
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Spanish Fort
teamduckdown
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No way to stop the spread just like Rona virus. It's going to happen. When it does...... less deer equal less demand for leases equal less money for said lease. They are just trying to protect their income.
David LOL... they're still trying to locate the first deer that CWD actually killed. It's hoax... even more so than the Corona virus.
Turkeys be damned.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/14/22 10:30 PM
03/14/22 10:30 PM
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North Birmingham
JustHunt
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I for one am glad to see westervelt step up and do the right thing. I hope the state follows suit.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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03/15/22 05:14 AM
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Chelsea
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Yeah I don't think mine is $10. I need to find a private land owner. LOL, you dont know much about leasing land and lease prices do you?????? Most good private stuff starts at timber company rates and goes up from there. What makes you think that? If I am willing to buy a tractor, trailer, and a garage full of implements, plus spend $3K a year over my dues, why would leasing land that costs more than what my lease is at now bother me? What kind of club could I get into with a tractor, a good work ethic, and $3K + a year in dues? I realize I am not 5 Star Plantation $, but I would be an asset to any club anywhere in my area. This rule change won't phase me a bit. Rather than spending money on feed, I will invest it in better soil tests, and crops. I am not going to grow monster bucks feeding corn all year anyway. More challenging will be the mineral side, but it doesn't sound like it said no salt. What exactly do you think a mineral site is?🤔 I haven't checked it since the bait law came out, but alabama differentiated between mineral and salt licks. You could put out white salt blocks and hunt over them, but not the brown mineral ones. Since the law made a distinction between the two, so am I.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/15/22 07:44 AM
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Central Alabama
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I've got news for you. A private land owning company, like Westervelt, can define it however they see fit, regardless of how the state differentiates it.
They just did that very thing with the overall bait permit made legal by the state legislature.
I would say, keeping within the context of their letter, that any mineral site will be prohibited, including salt.
Their "intent" is to lessen the concentration of deer within a close proximity to each other.
It makes no difference if the mineral is white or brown, they concentrate close to one another in the use of the site where it is distributed.
That's just the way I see it.
By the way, I have never stated that I agree with or disagree with what they are doing or whether I think it will help or not.
I just shared the letter information.
Cuz-Pat
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/15/22 08:12 AM
03/15/22 08:12 AM
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Awbarn, AL
CNC
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Their "intent" is to lessen the concentration of deer within a close proximity to each other. Do you think they'll ban food plots too??
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/15/22 08:35 AM
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Maybe the deer should just wear masks and social distance.
If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.-Mark Twain
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: teamduckdown]
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03/15/22 08:35 AM
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Central Alabama
Super Dave
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No way to stop the spread just like Rona virus. It's going to happen. When it does...... less deer equal less demand for leases equal less money for said lease. They are just trying to protect their income.
David LOL... they're still trying to locate the first deer that CWD actually killed. It's hoax... even more so than the Corona virus. So all those west and midwest states have been lying since 1997....... I had no idea.  David
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: CNC]
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03/15/22 08:51 AM
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AL
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Their "intent" is to lessen the concentration of deer within a close proximity to each other. Do you think they'll ban food plots too?? They already do to some extent. They tell you where and how much you can plant. You can't just go clear a spot and plant, or burn, or spray.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
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03/15/22 09:22 AM
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Chelsea
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Their "intent" is to lessen the concentration of deer within a close proximity to each other. Do you think they'll ban food plots too?? They already do to some extent. They tell you where and how much you can plant. You can't just go clear a spot and plant, or burn, or spray. Actually, that is not 100% correct. They give you area's or fields that they won't disturb. You can go plant log decks and logging roads all you want. Met my new lease manager last fall, and he told me I should clear off this one side of the road opposite a field and plant it. That means they may come in there later and log the area and disturb it. My club map on their site lists 7 greenfields. I have 24. He even gave me suggestions about other ways to plant things and increase my planted acreage. I think they number I saw was they would give you 1%. Even with 24 fields, I am probably just bumping the 1% number. When they cut mine this year, I am going to try to get the loggers to cut it or run a few skidder roads that are long and go north south so I can plant them. My biggest problem is stumps. Even our skid steer guy has a tough time with some of them, and he's got a 90+ hp machine. After about 3 years, he can blaze thru them.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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03/15/22 09:42 AM
03/15/22 09:42 AM
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Kennedy, al
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Need to outlaw oak trees and definitely fruit trees.
No hunting over any food source that congregates deer. They won’t get sick if they congregate and you’re not hunting them (only if you’re locked and loaded).
But green fields are allowed….
Dig up all mineral sites (natural and man made).
If you have a naturally occurring mineral site hazmat needs to be called in for removal.
Oh yeah, all mud puddles and water sources smaller than 1/8 acre in size must be drained and/or eliminated.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: therealhojo]
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03/15/22 10:04 AM
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Awbarn, AL
CNC
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Their "intent" is to lessen the concentration of deer within a close proximity to each other. Do you think they'll ban food plots too?? They already do to some extent. They tell you where and how much you can plant. You can't just go clear a spot and plant, or burn, or spray. I’m sure a lot of their food plots are pretty small areas that concentrate deer if that becomes the definition folks start using……I’d bet if they banned food plots they would see an even bigger reaction from their lease holders too than the one they’re likely about to see if the state doesn’t follow suite……Interesting move…..Someone must have a lot of expendable income in which to make a statement with and/or either they figure it wont matter…….someone will lease it…..I’m guessing whoever it was that pulled that trigger isnt riding the “Chuck Wagon”…  …They definitely just stirred the pot with that one….Whatever happened to go old fashioned political cartoons?? 
Last edited by CNC; 03/15/22 10:05 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: Lockjaw]
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03/15/22 10:35 AM
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therealhojo
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Their "intent" is to lessen the concentration of deer within a close proximity to each other. Do you think they'll ban food plots too?? They already do to some extent. They tell you where and how much you can plant. You can't just go clear a spot and plant, or burn, or spray. Actually, that is not 100% correct. They give you area's or fields that they won't disturb. You can go plant log decks and logging roads all you want. Met my new lease manager last fall, and he told me I should clear off this one side of the road opposite a field and plant it. That means they may come in there later and log the area and disturb it. My club map on their site lists 7 greenfields. I have 24. He even gave me suggestions about other ways to plant things and increase my planted acreage. I think they number I saw was they would give you 1%. Even with 24 fields, I am probably just bumping the 1% number. When they cut mine this year, I am going to try to get the loggers to cut it or run a few skidder roads that are long and go north south so I can plant them. My biggest problem is stumps. Even our skid steer guy has a tough time with some of them, and he's got a 90+ hp machine. After about 3 years, he can blaze thru them. Did you not see where I said “to some extent?” Then you go into 2 paragraphs explaining exactly “to some extent.” You still have a manager telling you what you can and can’t do. I never said they tell you you can’t l, I said they limit you. And good luck with getting those loggers to do what you want.
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: therealhojo]
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03/15/22 11:56 AM
03/15/22 11:56 AM
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Free State of Winston
FreeStateHunter
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Let’s put this into a sports theory.
Alabama season tickets. At one point there were 40,000 people in the waiting list with ticket prices going up every year.
They just built new sky boxes that sold for millions. They thought it would take a few years to sell them. It took months.
Same thing will happen to these leases. To make this apples to apples those leases would need to produce record book bucks every other year, much like Alabama wins it all every other year. 130” deer and under ain’t gonna cut it
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Re: Westervelt Lease News
[Re: FreeStateHunter]
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03/15/22 12:02 PM
03/15/22 12:02 PM
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AL
therealhojo
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Let’s put this into a sports theory.
Alabama season tickets. At one point there were 40,000 people in the waiting list with ticket prices going up every year.
They just built new sky boxes that sold for millions. They thought it would take a few years to sell them. It took months.
Same thing will happen to these leases. To make this apples to apples those leases would need to produce record book bucks every other year, much like Alabama wins it all every other year. 130” deer and under ain’t gonna cut it There was a waiting list when Shula was there too
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