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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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I've never tracked a deer shot with a bow this far back........I've tracked numerous ones shot with a gun. If you dont believe there is a big difference in guns versus bow then you're simply making assumptions and not looking at the real world data Different deer with the same shot.......Bayed and dispatched over a mile from the shot site. Gun hunters are slinging lead fellas...
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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Running dogs we lost a few deer, but by far We’ve lost more deer with a bow than with a gun. Especially when you factor in how few we shot with a bow vs how many we shoot during gun season.
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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The question isn’t “How many did you shoot at and not recover”……The question is "How many of those you shot at ended up dying because of it?" There’s actually been some studies done on this. It showed that something like 91% or 93% of deer not recovered by bowhunters end up living. This is what it looks like when a bowhunter misses a little too far forward. This deer was tracked and lived but killed later. This was the original wound. This is what it looks like when a gun hunter misses the same way…..This deer was tracked, bayed, and dispatched. Big difference in the amount of trauma caused by a gun versus a bow on marginal shots.
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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The question isn’t “How many did you shoot at and not recover”……The question is "How many of those you shot at ended up dying because of it?" There’s actually been some studies done on this. It showed that something like 91% or 93% of deer not recovered by bowhunters end up living. This is what it looks like when a bowhunter misses a little too far forward. This deer was tracked and lived but killed later. This was the original wound. This is what it looks like when a gun hunter misses the same way…..This deer was tracked, bayed, and dispatched. Big difference in the amount of trauma caused by a gun versus a bow on marginal shots. So a deer living from a shot is better than one dying that was later recovered? You are making my point for me. Thanks
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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So a deer living from a shot is better than one dying that was later recovered? You are making my point for me. Thanks Yes, bow hunters cause much less unrecovered mortality. Its just a fact chief…..Over 90% of deer shot with a bow either live to be hunted another day or it goes home in the back of the truck…..Per studies there are less than 10% of them that get mortally hit with a bow and not recovered. You’re talking about mostly gut shots or low shots that are often the easiest ones for the dog to track so adding in tracking dogs cuts that number down to near nothing. At the end of the day a bowhunter combined with a good tracking dog are not gonna leave many dead deer in the woods…..Period….End stop.
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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In a nutshell the bow versus gun debate boils down to no matter how many arras bowhunters may sling….. they typically either hit the deer inside the red circle and recover it or they hit outside of the red circle and just scratch it up with a flesh wound.....especially with the new mechanical broadheads... Gun hunters on the other hand have a much more powerful weapon in their hands and four legs to blow off from any angle. Without tracking dogs virtually none of these gun shots get recovered. That's how gun hunters account for a higher percentage of unrecovered mortality.
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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I wonder if people are just way less picky with a gun because they think there super creedmoor magnum will kill an elephant anywhere they hit. There’s definitely a lot of misconceptions about the impacts of guns versus bows…..
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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CNC, do you know if that deer was shot from ground level or elevated? If elevated, it seems like it would’ve gotten the other lung
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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CNC, do you know if that deer was shot from ground level or elevated? If elevated, it seems like it would’ve gotten the other lung It was elevated maybe 15 ft or so.....one of the taller ladder stands.
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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There was more blood on this one than your normal shoulder shot so it clipped something pretty good in there. It was a teenage boy that shot it. It was the first buck he’d ever slung an arrow at so he was shook up and didn’t know for sure exactly where it hit…. He reported hearing a good thump though. We were all thinking he had hit too far back and we’re expecting to find a dead deer. It was disappointing that day not to find.
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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CNC, do you know if that deer was shot from ground level or elevated? If elevated, it seems like it would’ve gotten the other lung I highly recommend you listen to this: MASH MELots of eye opening information regarding what is/isn't lethal and survival rates.
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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs
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I said less unrecovered mortality……he aint dead or lost.
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