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Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: Lockjaw] #3493781
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
Weiner dogs are fiesty. Watched a lady walk two around the lake in my hood, and they went into beast mode on every dog they ran into.


Anything that was bred to go in a badger's den and fight it has to be badass. The word dachshund means badger dog in German. My first one used to go out with us when we were in the front yard and we had to watch him because he went after any other dog, no matter the size, that came close to our yard. They are a fearless breed. The two I have now are not as tough but they do keep my back yard bird and squirrel free.


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You seem like a smart guy. I don't really like to get into dog threads too much anymore. Everyone here nows I'm a PB man. Really dogs in general. I spend a lot of time reading about and fooling with dogs. I understand why folks feal how they do about the dogs, do to them being in the news. You can believe the media if you want. I do not. Every man is entitled to believe what they want, but from my hands on experience, and all my research, and spending an obscene amount of time speaking with knowledgeable people who also have years of experience dealing, training and raising them, I have come to a different conclusion than what the media reports.


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Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: Skinny] #3493784
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Any dog can be dangerous. I will always be a advocate for the pit bull simply because of the ones I owned. This topic is a endless disagreement for most people. To each their own.

Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: Skinny] #3493840
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Pits are terriers so there is a lot of prey drive in their dna.

If you look at studies on aggressiveness towards people pits are actually towards the bottom of the list. The issue is when they do bite they do damage. So in that respect I guess you could say they're more dangerous than a jack Russell, chihuahua, etc... If you just go by number of bites Chihuahuas , weiner dogs, and other little shits like that are more aggressive, it's just no one cares because you can kick them across the room pretty easily if they attack.

Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: goodman_hunter] #3493911
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Originally Posted by goodman_hunter
Andulusia
You seem like a smart guy. I don't really like to get into dog threads too much anymore. Everyone here nows I'm a PB man. Really dogs in general. I spend a lot of time reading about and fooling with dogs. I understand why folks feal how they do about the dogs, do to them being in the news. You can believe the media if you want. I do not. Every man is entitled to believe what they want, but from my hands on experience, and all my research, and spending an obscene amount of time speaking with knowledgeable people who also have years of experience dealing, training and raising them, I have come to a different conclusion than what the media reports.

Understood, I am not looking for an argument and everyone comes with a different perspective on dogs and their demeanor.

I have no direct experience with Pitbull ownership. My father was a Veterinarian and I spent many hours as I was growing up in his clinic and assisting with large animals in the field. As a Maxillofacial Surgeon I have treated many dog bite wounds and several were young children. No exposure to deaths thank goodness, but many with wounds that could be closed but scarring for life. Some were improved with skin grafting or rotational flaps but again, nothing that could completely resolved after the initial trauma. Most were from family dogs but several were friends and a few from strangers. I didn't keep tabs on the breeds but several were a Pitt or Pitt mix.

Again as stated above, any breed can be prompted to bite or worse but there are breeds which are more prone to attack and maul.


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Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: Frankie] #3493953
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Originally Posted by Frankie
I'm not saying Pitts are not dangerous. I'm saying you're posting a bs study and using it to try and prove the point.


That's been the status quo for the last year about all things covid, so I guess it was just a matter of time before it found it's way into a thread about dogs.

Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: BPI] #3493969
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Originally Posted by BPI
Originally Posted by Frankie
I'm not saying Pitts are not dangerous. I'm saying you're posting a bs study and using it to try and prove the point.


That's been the status quo for the last year about all things covid, so I guess it was just a matter of time before it found it's way into a thread about dogs.



Lol yeah. Them people and animal rights freak about the same difference .

Oh I'm talking about the study . They the ones that come up with bs dog study

Same with cow farts

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Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: Andalusia] #3493985
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Originally Posted by Andalusia
Obviously there are dangerous dogs in all breeds but if I hear "someone is walking down the street and mauled to death" I honestly think Pitbull first.

There is an old saying...."when you hear hoofbeats, think horses not elephants".





By the Numbers: Dangerous Dogs
So how exactly do we measure the “dangerous-ness” of a dog breed? And what factors should we be looking at? There is no correct method or 100% accurate way of measuring how dangerous a dog is. Instead, we have to make use of the data we have.

That said, we measure these dangerous breeds based on two statistics:

How many human fatalities (deaths) caused by this dog breed
How many attacks from this breed have been reported
Aggressive dogs and their attacks on human have been a heated controversial topic ever since the beginning of the domestication of dogs. And in the 1990’s, the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) decided to examine the data on these attacks.

They discovered that the Pit Bull was the most dangerous breed in the United States (between 1979 and 1996). In fact, Pit Bulls were involved in 60 fatal incidents, which is more than double the number of incidents of the second place Rottweiler (29 incidents).

But of course, there are always exceptions in addition to many external factors that can play into this. We’re also not trying to generalize all dogs in a breed as dangerous or aggressive. This is simply objective data and facts we can use to measure how dangerous dogs are.

Fatal Dog Attacks – The Report
Of course these dog attacks haven’t stopped since the 90’s. Picking up where the CDC left off, DogsBite.org also conducted an investigation on fatal U.S. dog attacks (from 2005 to 2017).

Not only did they record the attacks, but also: victim’s age, number of dogs involved and consequent punishment (if any). What’s alarming is that the Pit Bull accounted for 66% of all fatalities in the 13-year span. That’s 284 deaths from 2005 to 2017.

The second place Rottweiler accounted for less than 11% of fatal attacks with a mere 45 deaths. The story is in the data. And the data tell us that the Pit Bull is by far, the most dangerous dog breed in the world.





You said you're a doctor. Here you go:

literature on dog bites
From a reputable source.

Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: Skinny] #3494003
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From personal experience not research . Neighbors , more than one have pit bulls and crossbred bulldog types . We live in a rural area with no real close neighbors. 1. We have 2 movable chicken coops / chicken tractors . Multiple time we have had our laying hens killed by strays . I’ve got them on my game cameras and have caught them first hand . Always the bull dog types . Never eat them just kill for the fun I guess . Checking cows one day my wife calls in tears . 3 of the neighbors dogs have come into the yard and are trying to get into the coops . Wife goes out and tries to run them off , they come after her ! She luckily gets in the back of my pickup till they leave . When I get there , they are coming back across the field and proceed to growl and bark at me . In the meantime she has called the sheriffs department. Their response ? Shoot them if you feel threatened.. I hate to shoot a man’s dog . 2. Another day , watching the iron bowl I hear dogs barking and my chickens going crazy , 3 different bull dog types. I start yelling and 2 run for the woods , #3 is very pregnant and comes lays down at my feet . I put her in my empty beagle pen and call the county animal control guy , a former student . 3 days later and a small sack of dog feed , he picks her up . A different neighbor over a mile away picks her up at the shelter . Got to have a long talk with him and her . 3. Neighbor, a good one , loses a cow and calf to bull dog types . They attack her and baby while she is delivering the calf . The dogs belong to some druggies that live up the road from our joining pastures. 4-5 dogs this time . Later that day they have a different man’s cows backed into the corner of his pasture when he shows up . 4. And most recent , my wife and I are the garbage collectors at a local upper class community near us . We pick up trash in bags from about 30. -35 homes and carry it to the dumpster . Some are full time residents and some come up on the weekends. Others rent them out . Just last Sunday as we did the pickup I went into the yard to get the trash bags from a renter house . Car in the drive was a Texas tag . Just open the gate to the garbage bin when I hear a deep voiced bark and definitely a dog in attack mode to see a definite pit bull coming at me . Thankfully the owner heard the commotion a got him called off me . I’m inside the garbage fence at this moment ! Her response, I didn’t know anyone was in the yard so I let him out . What if it had been someone walking or kids on bikes ? There is no enclosed yard at this house .
So to my point ; I’ve had dogs all my life . Beagles and labs mostly. To each his own . I don’t blame folks for having bull dog type breeds . Put a collar on them if you love them ! Keep them in your yard or on a leash. Put them in a pen . That’s what we did with our dogs . Be responsible!

Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: Abbhudson] #3494041
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Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by Andalusia
Obviously there are dangerous dogs in all breeds but if I hear "someone is walking down the street and mauled to death" I honestly think Pitbull first.

There is an old saying...."when you hear hoofbeats, think horses not elephants".





By the Numbers: Dangerous Dogs
So how exactly do we measure the “dangerous-ness” of a dog breed? And what factors should we be looking at? There is no correct method or 100% accurate way of measuring how dangerous a dog is. Instead, we have to make use of the data we have.

That said, we measure these dangerous breeds based on two statistics:

How many human fatalities (deaths) caused by this dog breed
How many attacks from this breed have been reported
Aggressive dogs and their attacks on human have been a heated controversial topic ever since the beginning of the domestication of dogs. And in the 1990’s, the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) decided to examine the data on these attacks.

They discovered that the Pit Bull was the most dangerous breed in the United States (between 1979 and 1996). In fact, Pit Bulls were involved in 60 fatal incidents, which is more than double the number of incidents of the second place Rottweiler (29 incidents).

But of course, there are always exceptions in addition to many external factors that can play into this. We’re also not trying to generalize all dogs in a breed as dangerous or aggressive. This is simply objective data and facts we can use to measure how dangerous dogs are.

Fatal Dog Attacks – The Report
Of course these dog attacks haven’t stopped since the 90’s. Picking up where the CDC left off, DogsBite.org also conducted an investigation on fatal U.S. dog attacks (from 2005 to 2017).

Not only did they record the attacks, but also: victim’s age, number of dogs involved and consequent punishment (if any). What’s alarming is that the Pit Bull accounted for 66% of all fatalities in the 13-year span. That’s 284 deaths from 2005 to 2017.

The second place Rottweiler accounted for less than 11% of fatal attacks with a mere 45 deaths. The story is in the data. And the data tell us that the Pit Bull is by far, the most dangerous dog breed in the world.





You said you're a doctor. Here you go:

literature on dog bites
From a reputable source.


I read the article you referenced and while it is a lit. review of older information, most coming from government sources and including some worldwide data, I feel it contains some good information.

It does back-up my thought that in Fatal Attacks, a Pitbull seems to be a front runner, I was never talking about just dog bites, only fatalities. I do agree with the thoughts that Pitbulls can be abused by their owners or encouraged to be more aggressive and this results in more fatalities with this breed.

Here's the first paragraph/summary of the article in your link:

Breeds Implicated in Serious Bite Injuries
In a range of studies, the breeds found to be highly represented in biting incidents were German Shepherd Dog,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,50 mixed breed,1,4,6,8,10,11,12,19,17, 20,50 pit bull type,5,9,13,16,21,20,22,23,24,25,26,27 Rottweiler,15,18,22,24,25,28 Jack Russell Terrier,21,25,26 and others (Chow Chow,7,23 Spaniel,14,26 Collie,3,29 Saint Bernard,20 and Labrador Retriever2).

If you consider only the much smaller number of cases that resulted in very severe injuries or fatalities,21,23 pit bull-type dogs are more frequently identified. However this may relate to the popularity of the breed in the victim's community, reporting biases and the dog's treatment by its owner (e.g., use as fighting dogs21). It is worth noting that fatal dog attacks in some areas of Canada are attributed mainly to sled dogs and Siberian Huskies,56 presumably due to the regional prevalence of these breeds. See Table 1 for a summary of breed data related to bite injuries.


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Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: BPI] #3494088
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Originally Posted by BPI
Originally Posted by Frankie
I'm not saying Pitts are not dangerous. I'm saying you're posting a bs study and using it to try and prove the point.


That's been the status quo for the last year about all things covid, so I guess it was just a matter of time before it found it's way into a thread about dogs.

thats backwards, it finally made its way into the covid threads.


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Re: Man killed by dog attack Phenix City [Re: Skinny] #3494090
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I read where dogs can catch Covid.


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Originally Posted by Skinny
I read where dogs can catch Covid.



I bet pit bulls are more susceptible to it and since they are so large and strong are really the worst of the super spreaders.

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Great. Now we have Pit Bulls with Covid. What's meaner than a Pit Bull with Covid? The F'er that gave it to him!

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Originally Posted by Skinny
I read where dogs can catch Covid.


My dog told me that Ballistic tips were better for deer than Partitions.

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Originally Posted by BPI
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I read where dogs can catch Covid.


My dog told me that Ballistic tips were better for deer than Partitions.


You need a better a dog. My dogs just stick with regular old soft point boat-tails.


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Originally Posted by Skinny
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I read where dogs can catch Covid.


My dog told me that Ballistic tips were better for deer than Partitions.


You need a better a dog. My dogs just stick with regular old soft point boat-tails.


I bet your dog shoots a Creed Skinny. That's all I got to say about that.

And let's not even get started about your cat. LOL

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Phenix City ain’t having a great week.
4 bodies were just discovered in a house.

Seems like a murder suicide.

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Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Phenix City ain’t having a great week.
4 bodies were just discovered in a house.

Seems like a murder suicide.

They don’t call it SinCity for the gourmet cuisine that’s for sure.


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